I think the manner in which we approach any given technology depends on not only the interface, but on what we need to do with it. I firmly believe that this device is amazing. Apple has taken an interface that couldn't be more visual, and made it accessible. I have in fact played with an iPhone, and all that I'm saying is that it would just take way too much time for me to be as proficient and efficient on that device as I am on my Nokia. My friend /Sarah, on the other hand, love the thing. She is reading Audible books, using applications from the iTunes store, texting, emailing and so on. The other reason why I can't do the iPhone is the voice, Samantha. I have a hearing loss, and that particular voice is extremely difficult for me to understand. I don't read text documents on my Victor /Reader Stream for the same reason. If they had been able to use Alex, I might already have an iPhone, but I know that it couldn't happen. -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:55 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call Obviously, when the day is done, ones personal preferences and choice is all that matters. I do find it fascinating with any product, not just the iPhone, that some folks express definite opinions without ever having used or tried a product or base their thoughts on expectation and estimation alone. However, as I said, that occurs with any opinion, and with the iPhone, the moment I read about it, I knew it would surpass my experiences with any other cell phone. I email and text message just fine, and, in fact, I find it easier to text message on the iPhone than using the key pad on my Nokia. Interestingly enough, business is the main target for the 3.0 software, which includes Exchange support, among other Enterprise related features. Ironically, , I have recently read three articles that strongly indicate that the iPhone is simply not a "fun phone" geared for the consumer market alone. I just spoke to a woman who told me her company is going to be switching to iPhones for the entire field staff of over 1500 people by September. This appears to be more than just a minor trend, according to an recent article in the Wall Street Journal. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jun 24, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Richard Ring wrote: > Of course not. iPhones are selling like crazy. I'm simply saying > that > I have been watching someone learn to use one, and I can't imagine > relying on this device to do email, texting etc. This doesn't mean > that > people aren't going to do it, I am speaking strictly for me. I really > get the impression that the iPhone is more of a fun phone than a > business phone, that is all I am saying. I think that apple should be > seriously commended for coming up with a way to make this device > accessible. Ok, I'm old fashioned, I like physical buttons. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane Jackson > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:06 PM > To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call > > Well said, John. I'm talking to my wife and checking weather as we > speak. Well, I was just talking to her, if you want to get > technical. now, I'm typing to this list on my Mac. GOod stuff! > Shane Jackson > Vestavia Hills, Alabama, USA. > Email & MSN: jack728@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: cadal728 > Twitter: jack728 > > On Jun 24, 2009, at 2:58 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you mean by "actual work". Like any new >> device, it takes getting used to and using it. In doing so, you >> find ways of getting tasks done. At this stage, those of us who >> have iPhones are learning and exploring and becoming confident and >> proficient with them. I'm going to try this shortly, but I think >> one can check weather and make appointments while on a call. >> Additionally, I have no idea why a big deal is being made about >> using a headset. The earphones that come with the iPhone are not at >> all clumsy or awkward. Also, as has been mentioned, there are other >> ways around the issue of the screen being locked during a call, >> which, as far as I can tell, has not slowed the rate of sales of the >> device in the market place. >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Managing Director >> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. >> 9 Nolan Court >> Hauppauge, NY 11788 >> Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com >> >> AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, >> PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, >> DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY >> IMPAIRED >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richard Ring wrote: >> >>> My best friend is now the proud owner of an iPhone, and she loves >>> it. She can't text as fast as I can, but I can't tell my phone >>> what music to play with my voice. What I would have to say though >>> is, I can't imagine doing what I would call actual work with the >>> iPhone. However, I could be wrong and only time will tell. >>> >>> >>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover- >>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:40 PM >>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call >>> >>> Hmm. That's a real minus. I never use a headset with my phone. >>> Donna >>> >>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover- >>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex de Jong >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:28 PM >>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call >>> >>> No: they expect you to use the iPhone with it's headset That's all. >>> Because then you have access to the phone's full functionality, >>> e.g. adding an appointment to the calendar, then coming back to the >>> phone app etc. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Marco <news@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> So I guess Apple isn't perfect after all. They do have their >>> hardware flaws >>> as well as software problems. It's the only thing about mac users >>> that >>> drives me nuts is that they claim that their company is without >>> flaws and >>> that only Microsoft has problems. Hurray! Thank you Apple for >>> joining the >>> real world of digital! >>> Marco >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David >>> Poehlman >>> Sent: June 24, 2009 8:22 AM >>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call >>> >>> click ad call or hold and it should work. >>> >>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> This question was posed on another list. Anyone know the answer? >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> "i'm shocked I haven't come across this before, but how exactly is >>> one >>> supposed to enter touch tones while on a call? I can't seem to find >>> the >>> keypad text area or number while on a call." >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >>> below. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >>> below. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.90/2198 - Release Date: >>> 06/24/09 06:23:00 >>> >> >>> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >>> below. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >> below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link >> below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >