I don't recall if it was on this list, but there was a lengthy discussion about this subject a while back when, I believe, MS Office 2008 was released for the Mac without accessibility. The point was clearly made through technical data that MS deliberately chose not to make the product accessible. In fact, from my understanding, the way the framework has been developed by Apple, you have to go out of your way to make something entirely inaccessible. So, to say it's Apple's responsibility to make Office accessible is completely ridiculous. Apple didn't develop the package, yet they provided the tools for the developer, Microsoft, to make it accessible. MS has, thus far, chosen to contradict their own claim to a commitment to accessibility. Take Care John Panarese On Feb 14, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: > MS has made their product accessible in their own OS? Really? Well, sure, if > you use a third party screen reading solution I guess it's accessible. > Apple has built the frame work, others have successfully made software, apps, > etc, work with VO, so hopefully MS will take care of this. > > "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs > > On Feb 14, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Tim Grady wrote: > >> I disagree with you. VO is an Apple product. Microsoft has made office >> accessible in their operating system. I fail to see why they are >> responsible for something Apple should be doing. >> On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: >> >>> I got to play with it yesterday, and it still doesn't work, my time was >>> limited, though, so if someone's gotten it to work, I would love to hear >>> how. >>> It's up to MS to fix this, but I'm not holding my breath either, as we all >>> know they don't take accessibility as seriously as Apple does. >>> >>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Bubba wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, that is because it is up to MS to make it accessible with VO not Apple >>>> make VO accessible with MS office. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sign, >>>> Bubba >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin Mann >>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:39 PM >>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Introducing Microsoft Office for Mac 2011. >>>> >>>> I've emailed apple accessibility on the subject, and i was referred to >>>> microsoft for the question. >>>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Bubba wrote: >>>> >>>>> They say MS did not make it accessible with VO what I hear. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sign, >>>>> Bubba >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Russell >>>>> Solowoniuk >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:58 PM >>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Introducing Microsoft Office for Mac 2011. >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I notice that Apple is announcing the release of Microsoft Office for >>>>> Mac 2011. Any chance this version might be accessible for us VO >>>>> users? <fingers >>>>> >>>>> crossed, but not holding breath> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Russell >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>> >>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>> >>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >> >>> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >