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From: Ignasi Cambra <icambra@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: June 11, 2009 6:43:01 AM EDT
To: "A place where VoiceOver nerds can discuss almost anything they
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Subject: Re: [Vo-bs] iPhone Story
I just think that given how much Apple cares about their products
being easy to use, using VO on the iPhone can't be that hard at all.
Just the concept of using a touch screen is new for all of us, but
I'm sure they have tested it enough to know that it's not hard to
use. If not they wouldn't have released it.
On Jun 11, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Marie Howarth wrote:
I totally agree. I shall be grabbing mine as soon as possible. I
think it will be slower for most users to begin with, it's a
completely new way for most Visually impaired people. So it's
obvious to me that it will take some getting used too. But hey,
nothing attempted only means no one will ever know if it works well
or not.
On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
I will go grab an Iphone as soon as i can afford it and as soon as
it's released here in Sweden. Since this will be later than in the
U.S i will be able to hear how things are going for those who have
grabbed their iphones.
I too have a Nokia phone, but i'm ready to make the switch. I
can't figure out how working with a touch screen is going to be,
if it will be slower or faster or equal, if it's going to be hard
or not, but i'll try regardless. Plus i will go grab an iphone for
another reason too. I will grab the Iphone because i want to
support a company that cares about accessibility of mainstream
devices, and who has shown that they do time and time again. Such
companies should be supported imho.
/Krister
11 jun 2009 kl. 05.30 skrev Sara:
Hey thanks for that story! Also glad you brought iPhone to this
list as I want to just talk without worrying about topics. lol
Is everybody grabbing on on June 19? I am skeptical of
touchscreens and not sure I will be able to type or scroll or
read on one so I think I will stick to my Nokia phone for now.
I'm really glad Apple is doing this and maybe when it has been
around longer I will get one but it's too soon for me I think and
plus I'm lovin' my Nokia phone.
I wish somebody would time a blind person typing a text message
on a Nokia phone with Talks vs. an iPhone with the touch keyboard
and see who's faster with predictive text off!
Sara
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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:40 PM
Subject: [Vo-bs] iPhone Story
My favorite iPhone story happened this past January when Susan,
my lovely wife of 22 years and 11 days, a couple of our Indian
friends and I were walking through a palace built by the Lodi
dynasty in the twelfth century. The palace is in a really
lovely park in New Delhi.
I asked our friends about the Lodi dynasty and they knew
nothing. So, my friend Manu produced his iPhone and looked up
the dynasty and even the palace we were walking through.
Mixing twenty first century technology with the physical
reality of the 1300s was a really awe striking feeling. While
we can touch the beautifully carved walls and pillars built and
carved by some long ago forgotten artisans who couldn't
possibly envision our lives, similarly, we couldn't imagine
life as royalty seven hundred years earlier. The iPhone help
us, albeit in a very small way, have some level of greater
understanding of that time in central Indian history.
I've been working making software as a hobbyist since 1971 and
professionally since 1979 and, in those few moments in that
beautiful day, surrounded by people I love, lots of pretty
plants and flowers and a nice old man who sold us cups of tea
for less than twenty five cents per cup with the iPhone giving
us some historical details - wrapped all of the dreams I've
ever had of computing into one event.,
On Jun 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
Don't worry about them. Yes, even at unsubsidized pricing, an
iPhone may well be cheaper than a Windows Mobile or Simbian
phone with a screen reader. But some people won't listen. So
here's what you do:
1) When you're able to do so, take the plunge. Whether that's
June 19th or whether that's later isn't important. Just in the
meantime, smile to yourself, chuckle at your friends'
shortsightedness (figuratively speaking), and bide your time.
2) Learn to use your iPhone. Get comfortable with the interface
by using it. Make yourself use it. If, after you've given it
the ol' college try, you've found you really don't like it,
that's OK. You're allowed to say so and move on. Yay for
options! But, if you find that you're getting on well with it
and like using it and find it's accessible, not to mention
that it has real possibilities, then
3) Have a good laugh at your friends' expense. Use your spiffy
mainstream phone with no blindy software needed. Take every
possible opportunity to use it in their presence. Enjoy your
iPhone. If they still don't get it, smile to yourself, chuckle
at their shortsightedness, and shake your head in disbelief.
Then leave them to their special blindy software that costs as
much as or more than the phone with a subsidized contract. If,
on the other hand, they have seen the error of their ways,
gleefully shout "I told you so", do a little dance, and then
welcome them happily to the new and changing world of
accessible tech. Wahoo!
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