[macvoiceover] Fwd: Re: Password help!

  • From: Ignasi Cambra <ic4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 18:34:57 +0000


Yes, Apple still sells the DVD, but with the original DVD that came with the
computer you really are able to boot, erase the drive and install the system.
The only thing is that you will have to update to 10.6.8 before installing
Yosemite, that shouldn't be a problem.

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Singing Sparrow
<sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Ok, so what would i do then? I am not even sure they even sell the snow leppard
dvds any more so if they don't then what?

On 9/3/2015 12:50 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
Actually, I think this might be possible. I don't think you can use that dvd to
reinstall while 10.6.8 is on it because your current system is now newer than
the dvd if the dvd is for an earlier version of Snow leopard. What I am not
sure about is whether you could still use that dvd to go into Disk utility and
erase the hard drive, in which case your need of a password would be over as
you would be doing a brand new install. But you would find that out if you
tried it and if it can't be done, you haven't lost anything. While you would
have to wait a few days, it would be much easier, if you can afford it, to get
the Snow Leopard dvd from Apple, which I believe would be 10.6.8, and then
without question you should be able to use it to erase your hd and then turn
around and run the install.

I know that situations are different for different people but I respectfully
disagree about the ram. I think that if you start using your computer very much
there may be times when you will regret running Yosemite without more ram. Of
course, if your ram can be increased, you would have the option of having that
done before or after upgrading to Yosemite. I admit that I could be wrong about
this or at least you may not find this to be a problem but i'm just giving you
my honest opinion.

I would strongly advise you not to try the Single User Mode solution unless it
becomes the only one left to you (actually, I think I have also heard it called
safe mode unless there are two separate modes on the mac with these names). For
one thing, it is possible to do harm with a mistake or possible not to be sure
you are in Single user Mode since you will get no feedback from voiceover. For
another, it still doesn't really solve the problem of somebody else's data
being on your computer though it is true that you could then create your own
administrative account and delete the unwanted ones. At any rate, people
usually do not pursue that solution if they have other alternatives.


--
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Singing Sparrow
<sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

why notgive me the instructions and let me try it. is there a way i could use
the snow leppard dvd to totally erase the drive and then reinstall snow leppard
and then theupdate to snow leppard and then do the install of yosemity?

On 9/3/2015 11:53 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
Running Yosemite with only 2 GB of RAM is not ideal, but is still within apples
minimum requirements. Voiceover really doesn't use much memory at all, so as
long as you try not to run many applications at the same time your system
should still run quite smoothly.
The thing is that your situation is actually quite tricky: From OS X 10.6.8 you
should be able to download Yosemite from the Mac App Store, but you won’t be
able to install it right away because it looks like your user account doesn’t
have administrator privileges. Even to do a clean install you will need
administrator privileges on that computer in oder to create a bootable drive
that you can use to install Yosemite from, so there are two options that I can
think of:
1. Find someone who knows how to create a bootable USB drive from the Yosemite
installer and who can do it from a computer that’s not yours, then boot from
that drive, erase your hard drive containing the Snow Leopard installation and
install Yosemite.
2. You can always boot into your Mac in Safe Mode and modify the password for
the administrator account on your computer, which is really quite simple if you
are comfortable writing commands in a terminal window with no voice feedback.
This should be possible if whoever gave you that computer hasn’t activated
firmware password protection, which is very likely. If you manage to change the
administrator password you will be able to install whatever you want and use
the computer however you like. I could try to give you instructions on how to
do that, but if you aren’t familiar with the Unix console environment maybe
it’s not the best idea.
Hope this helps...

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Singing Sparrow
<<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

Ok, this is my current set up.
the macbook is a mid 2010 white polly carbon intel core 2 duo 2.4 ghz processor
2 gigs of ddr3 ram 250 gig hardrive current osx version is 10.6.8 this was
updated from the osx version that was installed on the macbook which was 10.6.3
how could i do a clean install of yosemity when i would need to know what the
user name and password would be to even do an install of yosemity? according to
what i read on a few web sites about it?

On 9/3/2015 3:18 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
Which version of Snow Leopard do you have installed? If you are on 10.6.8 you
would be able to do a clean install of Yosemite if your computer is able to run
it. In that case you would not need the snow leopard DVD. If you are on a
version earlier than 10.6.8 then your best choice would be to just boot from
the DVD, use disk utility to erase your drive, and follow the instructions to
reinstall the system. That would allow you to set your own password, which
would make it possible for you to update your computer to 10.6.8, and then
upgrade to Yosemite.
Obviously before doing any of this you should copy any important information or
files in that computer to an external drive. Otherwise you will just lose
everything.

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Singing Sparrow
<sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

If i look and i have the dvd what would be the steps to cleanly do an install
removing everything and making sure that nothing is left behind?

On 9/3/2015 2:50 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
All the solutions I know of, given that you don't have the install cds or dvd
that came with it, involve booting into safe mood, where you have to type
several lines without any feedback as voiceover doesn't work. Even if you
either erase the current users and reset it to run the setup assistant again,
or just reset the password for a user, then you have to also fix or delete and
restart building the keychain. I wouldn't recommend this to anybody unless
he/she had excellent typing skills that don't need audible feedback and had
experience with the Mac, especially using terminal. If I was right there to
guide step-by-step or could do it myself, I might do this and actually have
done it on a Mac on one occasion. But honestly, even if doing this works, you
will not have securely erased this other person's information. What really
needs to happen is for you to completely erase and reinstall your system. The
only way I know of for you to do this would be to purchase the snow leopard dvd
from the Apple Store (not available in the app store; you need to buy a
physical product). You would bring up the dvd for install which can be
explained in more detail once you are doing it but go into disk utility on the
dvd and totally erase your drive first. Then you would do a clean install via
the dvd and would set up your own user information. Long-term, I think this
would be the best solution though I can understand that you would like a quick
fix so you can go ahead and install Adobe flash player and get on with life,
but I honestly think this approach would benefit you most in the long run.

As for installing Yosemite, first you would need to know if you meet all the
requirements for running Yosemite and have enough memory to make it a positive
experience; I would tend to recommend more memory than the minimum requirement
especially with running voiceover. But again, trying to install it over your
Snow Leopard install is going to require the password for the administrator.
Starting over again from scratch may seem like a daunting undertaking, but I
think that long-term it would prove to be a better choice than trying to deal
with a system that was given to you with somebody else's information and setup
already on it. Unfortunately, people who want to make money, or want to help
other people, or both, do this way too often: hand on a computer without fully
erasing and reinstalling a clean system and without even remembering and
passing on passwords if for some reason it cannot be reinstalled by the
giver/seller. It's often a very well-intentioned action, but it often makes
things very difficult for a new user and may even end up discouraging that user
from trying to use a Mac.


Did you post here what your Mac's model is, amount of memory, etc. It's very
possible you could and should eventually install Yosemite but you would want to
know that your system is compatible.

If you need help doing an install and don't already have somebody to help you,
and live in the U.S. and could work over the phone, I would be glad to help
you. You would be welcome to email me offlist and we could explore whether this
would be doable. There are probably others on the list who would do the same
and if you feel that your best course is to do this as independently as
possible, I know that people on the list will be glad to continue assisting you
via the list. I actually know nothing about your background and experience and
don't at all intend to underestimate your knowledge and work in this area; i
hope my offer does not sound like I am doing this.


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