and this too is off topic. we are talking about windows screen readers in this thread as they relate to ITunes for windows and hence impact the choices folk have when working things out and don't have vo to do it.
On Jul 11, 2009, at 4:24 PM, John Hess wrote:Good day to all. I feel a need to write regarding the off topic messages on this list. If you look at the subject of this message and read what I am actually replying to you will no doubt see that that the message below this has "absolutely" nothing to do with voiceover or the IPHone. This list was designed specifically for learning about Voiceover. It was not designed to talk about vm ware, jaws, windows, or other subjects. Although there is much room for this type of discussion and these things should definitely be encouraged, this is not the list to for alternative topics. Over the past few weeks the IPHone has caused quite a stir and for great reasons. However, it is extremely important for people to realize that not everyone has an IPHone and not everyone wants to know about them. it is for this reason that IPHone must be placed in the subject line so that people can bypass the messages they don't want to see. I would go even further to state that IPHone questions and information should be limited specifically to using the IPHone with Voiceover. Again, not to squelch the vast amount of info available but this is not the place for topics other then voiceover. One of the things that sets this list apart is the fact that people can come here to learn about VoiceOver and exchange ideas about "VoiceOVer". Now, of course it could be argued that comparisons are necessary for people to make decisions and perhaps they are. BUT NOT HERE!!!! So, as a list member I would sincerely appreciate it if people would stick to the guidelines set forth by the moderator. I am sure I have errored here in replying to some things and will be sure to reply to the sender only if there is an inquiry not pertinent to VoiceOVer. I sincerely thank you for your consideration and look forward to learning more about voiceover both on the IPHone and the Mac.
On Jul 11, 2009, at 2:02 PM, hank smith wrote:
any fixes? my jaws in vm likes to undo its video settings its driving me friggen crazy any suggestions would be greatfull----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:56 AM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: (aiphone) I could cry!!!!! the video intercept issues jaws and no other screen reader has. it is especially prevellant in a vm. On Jul 11, 2009, at 4:36 AM, hank smith wrote: what video thing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: (aiphone) I could cry!!!!! yeah, it got a bit rock for a while, but for a payed app, it's the killer for windows right now. They have corrected a lot of things so that my recommendation for windows is jfw. If it weren't for the video thing, it'd be perfect. On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:07 AM, John Panarese wrote: There is one point here that is sometimes missed. In regard to VoiceOver having too many key strokes or the like, this, from my experience with Window Bridge, JAWS, Window-Eyes and VoiceOver, is not exactly true. Especially when one takes advantage of the numpad commander or the VO Keys lock, it cuts down tremendously on the number of keys needed for common tasks. As for JFW being the best, sorry, but that hasn't been the case since FS took them over. It's why I jumped to Window-Eyes and will never look at JAWS again. And not having to deal with screen reader crashes, viruses, spam and blue screens of death is why I have relegated my Windows box for infrequent use. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS,DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIREDAUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 10, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Keith Reedy wrote:Come on folks, please, lets not get in to this. Keith Reedy On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:11 AM, Marco wrote:Shouldn’t put down JAWS. It has been good to you for the most part over the last 12 years or more. It isn’t perfect, but it is the best screen reader on the market no matter what platform you are comparing it too. I would argue that it has less keystrokes then VO in order to navigate the screen and the start menus.Marco Alberta CanadaFrom: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On Behalf Of Donna GoodinSent: July 8, 2009 1:58 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] (aiphone) I could cry!!!!!Ugh! I just set up the account from my PC and it took less than five minutes! 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