David, this is the way both OSX and Windows work regarding cursor placement in text. The diff is that windows screen readers change this behavior and VoiceOver tells you exactly what the OS is doing.
So what you're seeing is that the cursor is being placed just to the left of the character you're focused on as you move right through the text. So now, after you've read through the name David, the cursor will be just after the final d, thus, focused on the space after the name. Now, if you then reverse your direction and move the cursor back through the name, VO will again read the character that is in front of the cursor. I.E. It reads the final d again, as you're moving left, and so the cursor focuses the character just to it's left since you're now moving in the opposite direction.
Does this make sense?Windows screen readers modify this behavior so you don't hear that the Windows text editing cursor is also being placed between characters. One of the main points of VO is that it shows the VI user exactly or as close as possible, -the identical view / experience of the OS that a fully sighted user would have.
I sure hope this helps and have an awesome evening!… Smiles, Cara :) On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:23 PM, David Truong wrote:
HI,Talking about edit fields, how do you set voiceover up so it doesn't repeat the same character you have just left? For example, I will be moving across a document in a text editor under leopard with my right and left arrow keys, voiceover will read d a v I d as I am moving the right arrow key. That's fine but when I move the left arrow back, it will read d even though really I am on the I and when I move the right arrow to land on d, it will read i. It does this through a line of text so after a while you kind've loose where you are. This was especially annoying when I had to enter serial numbers for my audio hijack pro and recently VmWare Fusion. Please don't tell me that I have to gain more experience with the Mac and it is something I willlearn to get use to smile. There must be a fix. Thanks in advance for any help on the above, David Truong EMail and Messenger: davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: blindboxer1967 -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 7:12 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard. Hi Actually, arrows move you around in a wordprocessor just fine, along with lists, and just about anywhere else you could use them in windows. What might be happening to you is that the arrow keys you're pressing simply aren't moving you anywhere, either because you're not in a place you can use them or because there's no items for them to move you to. An example of this would be on the desktop, if you don't have any other drives plugged in or CDs in the drive, there's only one icon there for the hard drive. Pressing arrow keys there with only oneicon present will give you no output, since you haven't moved anywhere.Most of what you're used to will work (tab, arrows, etc) though they don't always work the way you'd expect from a Windows perspective. hth On Apr 22, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Sara wrote:I don't think I've ever used the keyboard learn mode with Jaws or Window-Eyes. I think the only reason I'd use it with a mac is because I can't seem to just press the arrow keys to navigate around. Somebody please correct me if I am understanding this wrong, but from what I have read so far, arrow keys get a blind person nowhere. How do people edit text in a word processor? Do you need to use control option with all arrow keys all the time? I know you can lock them and that would help but just want to clarify. What about with the numpad? Can those keys be used instead of control option arrows to move around and have text read? I think I am missing something. It's probably a lot easier than it sounds. smile Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTo: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.Hi Sara, Trust me, it was the first command I drummed into my head. You got to love keyboard learn mode on any screen reader. It is a godsend. -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sara Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 4:31 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard. Thanks people! Sounds like a command I'll be using a lot tomorrow. lol Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"<david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTo: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.vo keys-k turns on keyboard help and what's really cool about it is that it even tells you what all the keys do, not just vo keys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Reedy" <WA9DRO@xxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Learning the keyboard. Learning the Keyboard can be done with out interfearing with your work. Pressing VO keys-k will cause Voiceover to speak the name of each keyand if you press a combination of keys, Voiceover will tell you whatthat combination of keys will do. Press escape to stop this function. 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