[macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
- From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:10:22 -0500
Shane, for that matter, I could simply take my Mac Mini. It works without a
monitor and I could get a very small keyboard. The sound card sucks, but
there would probably be too much wind noise to really care about that. Oh,
I forgot. No batteries. But isn't it nice not to have to always connect
the thing to a monitor?
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane Jackson
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:40 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
Neal, if you do decide to fly, be sure and take your Sony with you so we can
hear what happens!!!
On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Neal Ewers wrote:
> Ah yes, Thanks for that. I don't have to fly after all. Sorry, I
> just didn't want people who were new comers to this list to feel
> denigrated. So, thanks for the second definition.
>
> Neal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:23 AM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
> neil, What your dictionary doesn't tell you but that you probably
> already know is that peeps is also short for a word that rimes with
> steeple.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:50 AM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
>
> Kara, the definition of the word Peeps. The short weak cry of a young
> bird.
> Was that supposed to be a compliment? Too bad I can't fly. Perhaps
> I'm just too young.
>
> Neal
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:20 PM
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>
> Ah, thanks Neal, glad this finally made sense for peeps!
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara :)
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:
>
>> Kara, you said,
>> ". The cursor falls between characters . forward delete removes the
>> character to its right . reverse delete removes the character to its
>> left . While moving right with the arrows, VO will first speak the
>> character to the right of the cursor, and then the cursor will move
>> right . While moving left with left arrows, the cursor will move
>> left, and then VO will speak the character to its right."
>>
>> Well done. It is worth repeating again.
>>
>> Neal
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 3:58 PM
>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the
>> keyboard.
>>
>> uh, lol! confused here! <smile> that's right. And that's what I
>> tried to say. I never said you were on a character at all. I've
>> only said you are between characters.
>>
>> the rule of thumb is simple.
>>
>> . The cursor falls between characters . forward delete removes the
>> character to its right . reverse delete removes the character to its
>> left . While moving right with the arrows, VO will first speak the
>> character to the right of the cursor, and then the cursor will move
>> right . While moving left with left arrows, the cursor will move
>> left, and then VO will speak the character to its right
>>
>> Hope this makes sense.
>>
>> Smiles,
>>
>> CQ :)
>>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2008, at 6:22 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
>>
>>> but, if the character to the right of the cursor is in focus, why
>>> then if I start typing, do I push it and why then if I press
>>> backspace/delete, that is left delete or backwards delete, does the
>>> character to the left get deleted?
>>> It seems to me that this is a result of being between characters and
>>> not on one.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cara Quinn" <Cara-Quinn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:33 PM
>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, I just reread this and really feel I ought to try yet again
>>> for a bit more clarity! lol!
>>>
>>> Yes, the character to the right of the cursor is the one which VO
>>> reads. However, when you press right arrow, the character to the
>>> cursor's right is first read, and then the cursor moves ahead or to
>>> the right, one position. so yes, in effect, the character that
>>> you've just heard is now positioned to the left of the cursor, and
>>> the cursor is highlighting the character ahead of it, to it's right.
>>>
>>> So now, if you move left, with your left arrow key, the cursor will
>>> do the opposite of what just happened, and will first move left one
>>> position, and then the character to it's right, will be announced.
>>> So
>>> in both cases, the character to the right of the cursor is the one
>>> which is in focus.
>>>
>>> As I've said before, for sighted users of Windows, this is exactly
>>> the same behavior but is reinterpreted for the VI user by the
>>> Windows screen reader.
>>>
>>> anyway, sorry for the ramblie confusion! lol! Just back from a
>>> long / great workout and tres relaxed! woohoo!
>>>
>>> Have a great night and hope this finally makes some sense! lol!
>>>
>>> Laters,
>>>
>>> Cara Cat :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
>>>
>>>> David, you've actually got this reversed. <smile> The cursor is
>>>> announcing the character just in front of it; not the one you've
>>>> just left. I.E. in the word 'is' if you use your right arrow and
>>>> read the letter 'i' the cursor is now positioned right between the
>>>> 'i'
>>>> and the 's' and is now focused on the letter 's.'
>>>>
>>>> So if you were to do a delete, you'd delete the letter 's.' Does
>>>> this make sense?
>>>>
>>>> If you then press your left arrow once, and hear the letter 'i'
>>>> announced, your cursor is now just before the letter 'i,' having
>>>> moved back one character. So now, the letter 'i' is the letter
>>>> that your cursor is focused on.
>>>>
>>>> lol! believe it or not, my roomie, who is a windows user just
>>>> confirmed this for me in MS Word, so it's quite similar.
>>>>
>>>> My apologies if my previous explanation was flawed. <smile>
>>>>
>>>> YOu can think of it this way. The character to the right of the
>>>> cursor, is always the one that VO will read.
>>>>
>>>> HOpe this makes sense and again, have a great night!.
>>>>
>>>> Smiles,
>>>>
>>>> cara :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:41 PM, David Truong wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That might be so but it isn't helpful though. How does one know
>>>>> what character he/she is on? I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm
>>>>> just trying to get a fix cause as I say, in reality when I move my
>>>>> left or right arrow keys, the character I have just left is being
>>>>> repeated.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
>>>>> Poehlman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 8:35 AM
>>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Edit fields was Re: Learning the
>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> this is fixed behaviour since the cursor is never on a character
>>>>> but between
>>>>>
>>>>> characters when it is at rest, changing direction will repeat the
>>>>> character on the way back. Note, it is helpful in that it is a
>>>>> more precise way of measuring your position with respect to a
>>>>> character.
>>>>> This is not voice over
>>>>>
>>>>> behavior but voiceover reflecting the behavior of the user
>>>>> interface.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David Truong" <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Edit fields was Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HI,
>>>>>
>>>>> Talking about edit fields, how do you set voiceover up so it
>>>>> doesn't repeat the same character you have just left? For
>>>>> example, I will be moving across a document in a text editor under
>>>>> leopard with my right and left arrow keys, voiceover will read d a
>>>>> v I d as I am moving the right arrow key.
>>>>> That's
>>>>> fine but when I move the left arrow back, it will read d even
>>>>> though really I am on the I and when I move the right arrow to
>>>>> land on d, it will read i.
>>>>> It does this through a line of text so after a while you kind've
>>>>> loose where you are. This was especially annoying when I had to
>>>>> enter serial numbers for my audio hijack pro and recently VmWare
>>>>> Fusion. Please don't tell me that I have to gain more experience
>>>>> with the Mac and it is something I will learn to get use to smile.
>>>>> There must be a fix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any help on the above,
>>>>>
>>>>> David Truong
>>>>>
>>>>> EMail and Messenger:
>>>>> davidtruong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: blindboxer1967
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>> Schmude
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 7:12 AM
>>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Actually, arrows move you around in a wordprocessor just fine,
>>>>> along with lists, and just about anywhere else you could use them
>>>>> in windows. What might be happening to you is that the arrow keys
>>>>> you're pressing simply aren't moving you anywhere, either because
>>>>> you're not in a place you can use them or because there's no items
>>>>> for them to move you to. An example of this would be on the
>>>>> desktop, if you don't have any other drives plugged in or CDs in
>>>>> the drive, there's only one icon there for the hard drive.
>>>>> Pressing
>>>>> arrow keys there with only one icon present will give you no
>>>>> output, since you haven't moved anywhere.
>>>>> Most of what you're used to will work (tab, arrows, etc) though
>>>>> they don't always work the way you'd expect from a Windows
>>>>> perspective.
>>>>> hth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Sara wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think I've ever used the keyboard learn mode with Jaws or
>>>>>> Window-Eyes.
>>>>>> I think the only reason I'd use it with a mac is because I can't
>>>>>> seem to just press the arrow keys to navigate around. Somebody
>>>>>> please correct me if I am understanding this wrong, but from what
>>>>>> I have read so far, arrow keys get a blind person nowhere. How do
>>>>>> people edit text in a word processor? Do you need to use control
>>>>>> option with all arrow keys all the time? I know you can lock them
>>>>>> and that would help but just want to clarify. What about with the
>>>>>> numpad? Can those keys be used instead of control option arrows
>>>>>> to move around and have text read? I think I am missing
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> probably a lot easier than it sounds. smile Sara
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Truong"
>>>>>> <bnfiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sara,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trust me, it was the first command I drummed into my head. You
>>>>>>> got to love keyboard learn mode on any screen reader. It is a
>>>>>>> godsend.
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sara
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 4:31 AM
>>>>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks people! Sounds like a command I'll be using a lot
>>>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>> Sara
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"
>>>>> <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:23 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Learning the keyboard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> vo keys-k turns on keyboard help and what's really cool about
>>>>>>>> it is that it even tells you what all the keys do, not just vo
>>>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Reedy"
>>>>>>>> <WA9DRO@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:20 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Learning the keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Learning the Keyboard can be done with out interfearing with
>>>>>>>> your work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pressing VO keys-k will cause Voiceover to speak the name of
>>>>>>>> each key and if you press a combination of keys, Voiceover will
>>>>>>>> tell you what that combination of keys will do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Press escape to stop this function.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keith Reedy
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