So true. I hadn't thought of the lack of spy ware and viruses with the Mac. I don't miss that either, or the crash and freezes. Nicole On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: > Makes sense. I wouldn't explore a PC option with a jaws type thing because I > find windows cumbersome to work with compared to the mac, hate how it crashes > and freezes, also how it slows down considerably because of things like > spyware, viruses, etc. I am sure that apple will develope more of these > problems as time goes on, but for the moment I love being free of these > issues and the fact that my macs really never crash (when I was using windows > with jaws it would freeze or crash constantly) but perhaps if some of these > problems were improved I would consider it. Honestly, I would need some > really, really, compelling reasons to stop using apple products. This, of > course, is just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth to you, knowing I > have joined the apple cult! :) > On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I agree entirely. I think Apple has done great things regarding >> accessibility but, when you pledge lifetime loyalty to a company I think you >> are doing yourself a disservice. There will come a time where a company >> will just do something that will make the use of their product less >> justifiable or, something better will just come a long. If you just stick >> with them because of their name they won't work as hard for you. For >> example, If HP said all there notebooks would come with a screenreader like >> Jaws or windows eyes, and you get upgrades for the life of your PC, I think >> most sensible blind people would have to at least explore the option. If >> you like something buy all means it is your right to scream it from the >> mountain tops but, it can sometimes work against you as far as credibility. >> If I hear someone say I buy a certain brand no matter what, I instantly >> devalue there opinion on said product or brand. >> On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> For example, none of apple's computers these days come with BluRay. I don't >>> need BluRay technology at this point so don't care, but everyone else is >>> making computers that have it. We can go on and on about things that Apple >>> doesn't give to their users. As of now, their products work really great >>> for me and I love them. But there is no reason for me not to switch to >>> something else in the future if I like it better, or is more efficient. >>> On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: >>> >>>> LOL! I do kind of worship apple, but I have a hard time wondering what >>>> products could be better than apple's for a variety of reasons, ease of >>>> use, accessibility, design, etc. I could go on, but will refrain! >>>> Olivia >>>> On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> >>>>> The thing is that some people find it cool to show that they are using an >>>>> Iphone, a BlackBerry or whatever. Some people just don't care. I >>>>> personally use Apple stuff all day because they help me to be productive >>>>> and they do everything I want them to do. But it has already been >>>>> mentioned before on this list that Apple is doing things that are not all >>>>> that good, particularly regarding patents. We can't forget that >>>>> accessibility should be a right for us, and not something that we should >>>>> be surprised to find right out of the box. Off course it's great that >>>>> Apple decided to implement VO on all their devices, but honestly if >>>>> something that I consider better comes out, I will consider switching. I >>>>> will not stick to Apple just because it's Apple. It just doesn't make any >>>>> sense to me to warship a company like that. >>>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeh, but if they're using peoples' e-mail to advertise, they should be >>>>>> paying for that privledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> What-ever. No one there cares what I think about stuff like this, >>>>>> anyway. *smile* I have seen Blackberrys do this, and I think that it is >>>>>> just as lame. If I'm sending e-mail from a free mail account, then they >>>>>> can advertise in my mail, since they're providing the mail free as an ad >>>>>> supported service. I suppose I just think that Apple stuff should be a >>>>>> little more classy than that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:56 AM >>>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Announces iPhone OS 4.0 Event for >>>>>> 08/April/2010-- The Mac-cessibility Network - News [Lioncourt.com] >>>>>> >>>>>> Well. Cell companies do it, too. They'll say sent from my verizon >>>>>> wireless blackberry, or sent from blackberry by AT&T. Marketing, I >>>>>> guess. I kind of like the word to know I use apple products, so it's >>>>>> Alright with me :) Sent from the future >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Coincidentally, why do iPhones and iPads always throw that "Sent from >>>>>>> my iPhone/iPad" remark in there? I could write "Sent from my Nokia >>>>>>> E71", or "Sent from my MacBook Pro"., but who cares what device I'm >>>>>>> reading mail with? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think its shameless and very noobish for Apple to put that in there >>>>>>> by default. Be prepared to see posts all the time with "Sent from my >>>>>>> iPad". I think that it will soon become a kind of kick me sign. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my MacBook, with Microsoft Outlook, over Charter Internet. >>>>>>> lol >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:39 PM >>>>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: [macvoiceover] Apple Announces iPhone OS >>>>>>> 4.0 Event for 08/April/2010-- The Mac-cessibility Network - News >>>>>>> [Lioncourt.com] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another piece of technology I. 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