I have to somewhat agree with you. I only disagree where Jaws is related since I'm an ex user of the product and I can speak from experience that there are just too many things I couldn't do with Jaws that I can do with Apple's screen reader. But yes, if something better came along, I'd definitely be willing to explore my options there. Nicole On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I agree entirely. I think Apple has done great things regarding > accessibility but, when you pledge lifetime loyalty to a company I think you > are doing yourself a disservice. There will come a time where a company will > just do something that will make the use of their product less justifiable > or, something better will just come a long. If you just stick with them > because of their name they won't work as hard for you. For example, If HP > said all there notebooks would come with a screenreader like Jaws or windows > eyes, and you get upgrades for the life of your PC, I think most sensible > blind people would have to at least explore the option. If you like > something buy all means it is your right to scream it from the mountain tops > but, it can sometimes work against you as far as credibility. If I hear > someone say I buy a certain brand no matter what, I instantly devalue there > opinion on said product or brand. > On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > >> For example, none of apple's computers these days come with BluRay. I don't >> need BluRay technology at this point so don't care, but everyone else is >> making computers that have it. We can go on and on about things that Apple >> doesn't give to their users. As of now, their products work really great for >> me and I love them. But there is no reason for me not to switch to something >> else in the future if I like it better, or is more efficient. >> On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: >> >>> LOL! I do kind of worship apple, but I have a hard time wondering what >>> products could be better than apple's for a variety of reasons, ease of >>> use, accessibility, design, etc. I could go on, but will refrain! >>> Olivia >>> On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> >>>> The thing is that some people find it cool to show that they are using an >>>> Iphone, a BlackBerry or whatever. Some people just don't care. I >>>> personally use Apple stuff all day because they help me to be productive >>>> and they do everything I want them to do. But it has already been >>>> mentioned before on this list that Apple is doing things that are not all >>>> that good, particularly regarding patents. We can't forget that >>>> accessibility should be a right for us, and not something that we should >>>> be surprised to find right out of the box. Off course it's great that >>>> Apple decided to implement VO on all their devices, but honestly if >>>> something that I consider better comes out, I will consider switching. I >>>> will not stick to Apple just because it's Apple. It just doesn't make any >>>> sense to me to warship a company like that. >>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeh, but if they're using peoples' e-mail to advertise, they should be >>>>> paying for that privledge. >>>>> >>>>> What-ever. No one there cares what I think about stuff like this, anyway. >>>>> *smile* I have seen Blackberrys do this, and I think that it is just as >>>>> lame. If I'm sending e-mail from a free mail account, then they can >>>>> advertise in my mail, since they're providing the mail free as an ad >>>>> supported service. I suppose I just think that Apple stuff should be a >>>>> little more classy than that. >>>>> >>>>> Bryan >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:56 AM >>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Apple Announces iPhone OS 4.0 Event for >>>>> 08/April/2010-- The Mac-cessibility Network - News [Lioncourt.com] >>>>> >>>>> Well. Cell companies do it, too. They'll say sent from my verizon >>>>> wireless blackberry, or sent from blackberry by AT&T. Marketing, I >>>>> guess. I kind of like the word to know I use apple products, so it's >>>>> Alright with me :) Sent from the future >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Coincidentally, why do iPhones and iPads always throw that "Sent from my >>>>>> iPhone/iPad" remark in there? I could write "Sent from my Nokia E71", or >>>>>> "Sent from my MacBook Pro"., but who cares what device I'm reading mail >>>>>> with? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think its shameless and very noobish for Apple to put that in there by >>>>>> default. Be prepared to see posts all the time with "Sent from my iPad". >>>>>> I think that it will soon become a kind of kick me sign. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my MacBook, with Microsoft Outlook, over Charter Internet. >>>>>> lol >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:39 PM >>>>>> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: [macvoiceover] Apple Announces iPhone OS >>>>>> 4.0 Event for 08/April/2010-- The Mac-cessibility Network - News >>>>>> [Lioncourt.com] >>>>>> >>>>>> Another piece of technology I. 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