you do not have to press control-option when control-option lock is turned on. so for instance, instead of pressing control-option-up arrow, when control-option is locked, just press up arrow. On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:56 AM, jim rawls wrote: David, you need to explain this a little more please. So, I do what you say here. How does that cut down on the key strokes? Jim -----Original Message----- From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:48 AM To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: question about key strokes and voice over. you can cut it down by locking the vo keys with vo- semi-colon that is control-option-semicolon On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:42 AM, jim rawls wrote: Hi all, I'm very new to the Mac, and a former windows user. I'm trying to learn key strokes for various things and notice that some of the key strokes for voice over take 3 or 4 fingers to perform it seems like. Is there a list of key stroke short cuts to cut some of this down? I know this may seem old hat to you guys, but for me, I'm having a tough time learning this. Jim -- Jonnie Appleseed With His Hands-On Technolog(eye)s Touching The Internet Reducing Technology's disabilities One Byte At A Time ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Jonnie Appleseed With His Hands-On Technolog(eye)s Touching The Internet Reducing Technology's disabilities One Byte At A Time ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx