So here I go again to try and outline the steps I take to nowhere as John requested. 1. I press VO-? to get to the VO on-line help. 2. I open the contents list and move into the VO basics. 3 I open this group and choose selecting a single item. 3. at this point I get to the list of "show" clickable items that never lead me to explanatory text. Let me know what it is you think I'm doing that yields no results. ††. ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx