Well, python still is crashing. How ever through testing we've determined that something in the python thing on os lion might have some how become corrupt in the night. I installed python 2.71 Or maybe it was 2.72, It was the one released on june 11 of this year. Anyway, i cannot get clisk to see that version. I did not click the profile updater as i did not want to break anything more then it was already broken. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx