it's a good starting point but there is quite a bit to add to it. for instance, you can use regular arrows and tab and space in dialogues but you don't get all the text if you do it. once you are familiar with the dialogs though, you can use regular keys quite effectively. Both guides focus on vo because that is what they are designed for but I only use vo commands when I need to read something that is not in the tab order or when I am working with web pages. The similarity between windows and the mac are striking in this. On Nov 28, 2011, at 11:39 AM, barbara jones wrote: I'm anxious to get to that point. I did find the getting started in the menu and think it is quite comprehensive but I'm new so not really sure of that yet. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:35 AM To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Transitioning from Windows XP to Lion yes, the quickstart is right there but it does not provide the depth that the getting started guide does so when you finish with the quickstart, you'll want to use the getting started guide and of course this list to fill in where the quickstart leaves off. Happy macking, I've been doing it for almost 7 years now. On Nov 28, 2011, at 11:11 AM, barbara jones wrote: I'm doing that right on the Mac. Thanks. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:41 AM To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Transitioning from Windows XP to Lion This document is not the best way to get started. I'd just learn the mac and voiceover with the voiceover quickstart and the voiceover getting started guide on the apple support site http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html On Nov 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, barbara jones wrote: Thank you so much George. Much appreciated. There is so much to read and learn. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:39 AM To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Transitioning from Windows XP to Lion here you go, http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/ > -----Original Message----- > From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of barbara jones > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 06:26 > To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Transitioning from Windows XP to Lion > > Can you tell me where you found switch 101 please? > thanks > Barbara > > ************ > > > You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. > > > The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any > changes to their list subscription is: > > //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind > > The list archive is located at > > //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ > > All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: > > john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. 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