[mac4theblind] Re: 3rd party browser and email accessibility, as well as some other thoughts. was Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover
- From: John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:53:22 -0400
I would try the suggestions offered by David and others. Clearing the
Cache, from personal experience, helped my Safari experiences tremendously.
Also, run a permissions check for the heck of it as well. If you are running
Lion, in the VoiceOver Utility, change the
setting in the Page Loading tab of the Web category to play tone when a webpage
is loading instead of speak progress.
For whatever the reason, it seems that upgrading to Lion from Show
Leopard without a clean install has created problems those of us who did a
clean install are not having. This is more speculation than based on
scientific fact, but I have read enough on these lists and on forums to be
convinced that there is something to this. Again, if you did do an upgrade to
Lion, run a permissions check and clean the cache of Safari. This is done
under the Safari menu when you are in safari.
I honestly don't know what is meant by speeding up mail reading. Under the
standard view in mail with conversations, I can go through 300 messages quite
quickly. You can also try the classic view and just interact with the subject
field of the headers and quickly browse through your list of messages as well.
I find Mail to be quite fast and easy to go through. I think I went through
310 messages in 25 minutes this morning. There are several podcasts that
explain how to configure mail and optimize it for easy reading and use. I find
Apple Mail to be much easier and better than any flavor of Outlook or Windows
Mail, especially considering the difference in spam I now get copared to the
nightmare days of Outlook.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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http://www.macfortheblind.com
AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Valiant8086 wrote:
> Hi.
> After reading about it I tried Lightning, and I think it's somewhat nice. I'm
> hoping I find something I really like sometime, because on my mac, Safari is
> very busy most of the time, and as it is right now I'm much better off just
> using internet explorer on my other computers or the web browser on my Nokia
> E5 rofl! Does anybody know if there is something I can do to have safari not
> be so busy? Sometimes it will even do this thing where it will say safari,
> busy, then it will say busy 3 or 4 times, then it will say safari, ready.
> About 3 seconds later, it will repeat the whole process and it will continue
> this indefinitely until I turn voice over off and back on.
>
> Speaking of voice over working with non built in alternatives like Firefox as
> aposed to safari, I sure wish Thunderbird worked on the mac, or does it, and
> I just couldn't figure it out when I tried it. Does anyone know of a simpler
> mail client than mail that works with imap and might be a little quicker to
> use? I get lots of email, and could use any chance I could get to speed up my
> reading of emails. Hmm, if Voice over works somewhat with Opera, I wonder if
> that means it works with Opera's email too? I just might have to give that a
> try. What little tiny bit I got to see of Opera on windows really impressed
> me, but about all I could learn about it was that it started like way fast.
>
> Right now I can only speed myself up so much, because I can't seem to
> understand any synthesizers that are sped up very much at all except for
> eloquence. Ironically, I do much better with Scan soft tom on my mac than
> with Alex, but that's not saying much. I know people can use Alex pretty
> fast, I've heard them over Skype, but I'm just like, huh?
>
> Oh, I have another question born out of curiosity. On my 11 inch mac book
> air, the late 2010 model with the 1.4ghz core2duo and a 60gb ssd, I found
> that when I updated to lion, instead of improving performance, it actually
> worsened. That is to say, Alex was noticeably less responsive in every way
> when I navigated around my mac. But I happily discovered when I got my
> realSpeak voices installed and going that they were actually more responsive
> than Alex ever was on my Macbook air. But a friend of mine with his Macbook
> pro says Tom on his is actually rather slow compared to Alex in terms of
> responsiveness. I wondered if anybody knows why that is? I'm thinking maybe
> it has something to do with the fact his mac book pro has a standard hard
> drive, while mine has a solid state. Maybe Tom is more reliant on the
> hardware's ability to quickly read the speech database from the disk than
> Alex is.
>
> Anyway, I realize this message is off topic mostly from the discussion to
> which I replied, so I'll go ahead and give it my own subject. I don't usually
> write like this, but I wanted to get my thoughts off in one shot so I can go
> to bed without having to write several emails.
>
>
> Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.13 portable.
>
> On 9/4/2011 12:54 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>> Hi all, thanks for all your comments I find it's a shame that firefox
>> doesn't work with voiceover but that's how it is I suppose. Hopefully one
>> day It will though!
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 3:18 AM
>> To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover
>>
>>> I've only used Lightning browser. It's very fast. The interface is a
>>> little different than Safari, but it is a nice browser. I am gong to try
>>> Omni Web soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>
>>>> The last one I have heard of . yes, what is your input on the other ones?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bubba
>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:26 PM
>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatibility with Voiceover
>>>>
>>>> Have you any more info on the opera situation, John?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> At 02:18 03/09/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> Lightning Browser and Omni Web from the App store. I hear Opera
>>>>> is on its way to being accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>
>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>> Director
>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>
>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND
>>>>> SUPPORT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Bubba wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any other browser other than Safari that works with Vo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bubba
>>>>>> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>> Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:57 PM
>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Firefox compatabilty with Voiceover
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all, as my subject says, I was just wondering about the
>>>>>> accessibility of Voiceover with firefox on the Mac OS X. By this I
>>>>>> mean can VO users use Firefox instead of using safari and if not,
>>>>>> what's the news on
>>>>> building this
>>>>>> into firefox and VO Users?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realise that this might be old news to VO Users or it might of
>>>>>> been covered loads of time before but I don't own a Mac and I am
>>>>> interested in if
>>>>>> there has been any development in this Web Browser with
>>>>> Voiceover. What with
>>>>>> the new Mac OS Lion just recently out. Is there any hope for Vo
>>>>> Users in the
>>>>>> future to be able to use the Firefox Web Browser? I also ask
>>>>> because I don't
>>>>>> own a Mac and am keane to know what choices I have should the
>>>>> time come when
>>>>>> I might get one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed
>>>>>> with his
>>>>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>>>>> reducing technology's disabilities
>>>>>> one byte at a time
>>>>>>
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