[lit-ideas] Re: while
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:43:41 +0100
Thanks, I don't know much German, but I found some other works of his in
English.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:18 PM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> it was sent to you
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> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>> Is that work available on the Net ? I don't like buying books much. :)
>>
>> O.K.
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>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:39 AM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>
>>> the heideggerina bullshitting in plainly annoying, it maybe worth
>>> while (more so for literary people) to look at the actual aesthetics of
>>> those positions.
>>> best way in is the "for metaphysics of death" by G Simmel, of 1909 1910
>>>
>>> btw, I have no idea of who this henry is
>>>
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>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:14 PM, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
>>> dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>> On p. 121 of "Quaestio Subtilissima", D. P. Henry proposes this
>>>> formalisation of
>>>>
>>>> i. The Nothing noths
>>>>
>>>> (He distinguishes this from
>>>>
>>>> ii. The nothing noths.)
>>>>
>>>> iii. ͻ[[Λ]](Λ)
>>>>
>>>> The use of "[[...]]" Henry borrows from Oxford philosopher A. N. Prior.
>>>>
>>>> On p. 120, he notes that the 'the' "portents some sort of singularity",
>>>> which Henry symbolises as
>>>>
>>>> iv. sol(Λ)
>>>>
>>>> Henry says that (iv) justifies "the use of the capital initial letter".
>>>>
>>>> Henry concludes the section on Heidegger with the remark that (i) can
>>>> thus
>>>> be seen as being sensical and "a truth derivable from the deductive
>>>> metaphysics" which he is constructing.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with J. L. Scherb that this was a "pre-war debate" (pre-Second
>>>> World War) between Rudolf Carnap and Martin Heidegger about allegedly
>>>> (as D.
>>>> P. Henry has it) meaningless metaphysical statements such as "The
>>>> Nothing
>>>> noths" ("Das Nichts
>>>> nichtet").
>>>>
>>>> Within the mainstream of 20th century analytical philosophy this
>>>> statement, "The Nothing noths" has come to be regarded as obvious
>>>> metaphysical
>>>> nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> And it was Sir Freddie Ayer who brought the news to Oxford. It is said
>>>> that
>>>> Oxford could not BEAR with the 'enfant terrible' -- but I WOULD
>>>> distinguish between a Carnapian scientist approach and Ayer's, which
>>>> was directed
>>>> towards empiricist epistemoly in general -- and Ayer did not stay at
>>>> Oxford
>>>> for long, finding a post in London. In terms of the history of
>>>> philosophy,
>>>> this is seen as Oxford never having 'bought' the idea that metaphysical
>>>> statements were, as Ayer thought he had shown, after Carnap,
>>>> 'meaningless'.
>>>> There were hordes of philosophers practicising metaphysics THEN (think
>>>> Collingwood) as there are hordes of philosophers practising
>>>> metaphysics NOW at
>>>> Oxford
>>>>
>>>> As we all know, this led to an unfortunate confrontation between
>>>> analytical and continental philosophy -- with Sartre assuming the
>>>> Heideggerian
>>>> position and generalising it: "Das Nichts nichtet" and consciousness
>>>> is "le
>>>> néant néantisant".
>>>>
>>>> The judgement of "The Nothing noths" as nonsense was somewhat
>>>> 'corrected'
>>>> by D. P. Henry.
>>>>
>>>> But the conflict still seems to exist.
>>>>
>>>> Henry's remark didn't find its way to a greater audience, because
>>>> Henry
>>>> didn't *prove* his claim in a canonical way, and because Henry's
>>>> remark
>>>> may be alleged to contains an ambiguity, which may give rise to
>>>> criticism.
>>>>
>>>> The required disambiguation, together with the missing proofs, can be
>>>> given
>>>> within the ontology introduced by Stanisław Leśniewski -- notably
>>>> protothetic -- that Grice adored ("protothetic (why?)" -- "Aspects of
>>>> Reason" --
>>>> Grice had a taste for a Polish neologism).
>>>>
>>>> Ludger Honnefelder calls the systems Stanisław Leśniewski, which were
>>>> developed roughly at the same pre-war time (1913-1939), a new
>>>> beginning of
>>>> metaphysics.
>>>>
>>>> They systems of Stanisław Leśniewski (that Henry learned via Geach --
>>>> whose mother was Polish) provide the missing link (to use a metaphor)
>>>> between
>>>> Heidegger and Carnap (and Ayer).
>>>>
>>>> The systems of Stanisław Leśniewski can thus be regarded as an
>>>> ontological
>>>> (if not metaphysical) supplement to and a partial correction of
>>>> Michael
>>>> Friedman's essay on Heidegger, Carnap and Cassirer.
>>>>
>>>> A hermeneutical conclusion may be drawn from this that allows for a
>>>> reconciliation between two types of
>>>> philosophy.
>>>>
>>>> This is possible not only in terms of Cassirer's observations, but also
>>>> along the lines of "logical form", broadly conceived -- as Henry
>>>> suggested.
>>>>
>>>> The hermeneutical outcome suggests that one CAN make use of PRECISE
>>>> logic
>>>> tools in a more general way than Carnap himself allowed (if not Ayer
>>>> and
>>>> less so Grice), alla D. P. Henry, without having to declare that at a
>>>> few
>>>> central statements of Heidegger's Fundamentalontologie are pure
>>>> nonsense --
>>>> but rather pretty illuminating -- if you think of them ("and even if
>>>> you
>>>> don't").
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Speranza
>>>>
>>>> Refs.:
>>>> Ayer, Language, Truth and Logic
>>>> Grice, "System Q"
>>>> Grice, "Philosophical Eschatology".
>>>> Henry, Quæstio subtilissima.
>>>> Ryle, Review of Heidegger, "Sein und Zeit", Mind, 1929, vol. 38.
>>>>
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