Eric, yes I've read about the breed. If I recall correctly, it has been declared illegal to own in some countries. I am very interested in the protective, guarding breeds. Way back eons ago my wife became so sick with her Crohn's disease that she couldn't work, I didn't feel comfortable about her staying home without any sort of protection; so I insisted that we get a protective dog. We lived in a condo at the time and what I had in mind was a medium-sized dog and mentioned the Irish Terrier and the Standard Schnauzer, but she had her own ideas about dogs and a dog wasn't a real dog unless it was big. At the time I only knew about the dogs listed in the AKC Dog book. Her "no, no, no," narrowed the choices down until we had but three, two of which she had never seen. Neither of had ever seen a Rhodesian Ridgeback but we saw them for the first time at the Beverly Hills Dog Show and that was her choice. The original descriptions were not unlike your Fila Brasileiro, and our first Ridgeback fit that description, but an extremely protective dog is a lot of trouble. Some of it can be legal. Our second Ridgeback, Trooper, was formidable and very protective, but would stop short of biting anyone (unlike our first Ridgeback). Ridgebacks are used to making up their own minds about threats; so I had to educate him that kids rushing toward us on skateboards, and men in costumes, riding mountain bikes were not threats. When Trooper was about 7 months old I had him up on a hiking trail where mountain bikers were in the habit of scorning hikers. They would dash at us and we had better get out of the way. I thought that perhaps they didn't have good brakes. I hoped when we saw some it would be some place where I could get Trooper off the trail, but that wasn't the case. There was brush on one side and an embankment on the other and here they came. I hoped Trooper wouldn't be frightened, but they were coming awfully fast and I was alarmed for him. When Trooper saw them dashing toward us he waited until they got about 20 feet away and then went into a ferocious, hackles-up growling, snarling brace. Those mountain bikes had good brakes after all. As soon as I had Trooper by the collar, the bikers got off their bikes and walked gingerly past us keeping fearful eyes upon my 7-month old puppy who watched them carefully, growling all the time. He eventually weighed 95 pounds and did learn that skateboards and bicycles weren't threats and he never bit anyone. If you're concerned about self-defense and you can't own a gun or you can't take a gun into areas you must go into where you might be attacked, then a defensive dog is a wise decision. Trooper was like a 357 Magnum, adequate for any anticipated attack, but your Fila Brasileiro is like a 454 Casull which will demolish anything it hits but it is very difficult to control. I'm still of the opinion that a little 38 like an Irish Terrier will provide all the protection anyone needs, but we seem to be locked into the Rhodesian Ridgeback. My wife doesn't understand how I could possibly consider another breed. Ginger (now 2 years and 8 months) is so gentle she may not even be a 22 but she looks like a 357. Sage who is 8 months shows promise of living up to the Ridgeback (357) standard. http://rrcus.org/ Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Yost Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:33 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: trading dogs... Thanks for the dog photos and stories. One of my favorite breeds is the Brazilian Fila (i.e., Fila Brasileiro). These dogs were originally bred to track and capture escaping slaves. Despite their terrible ancestry, the Fila is an ideal watch dog, and breeders are attempting to make it less aggressive. It will instinctively defend its master without hesitation or any previous training, and if left to its own devices will hunt and kill large game. If I ever get a place in the country, I'd want one of these mastiffs. Photo at http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/filabrasileiro.htm