corectly pointed out both by E. Gellner and K. Pooper appears to me to be the weird travesti of a point in (dubious) philosophy to be recovered from fictional grammars, since whether a language has a grammar in the sense these people is highly dubious. *he wrongly knows (ungrammatical) is not recovered by LF as more or less grammatical than he wrongly thinks
On Fri, 14 May 2010, Donal McEvoy wrote:
Found this reply unclear in its import. More importantly, I have just run out of milk. --- On Thu, 13/5/10, jlsperanza@xxxxxxx <jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote:McEvoy:I know that"I have wrongly been informed that the capital of France is Lyon". Ungrammatical.is false.>Ritchie is right: you MAY THINK you know -- (versus "you maybe know it").So?While "know" and "inform" behave similarly, they are not the same verb.Neither is "throw". And?"I wrongly knew it" is perhaps MORE ungrammatical than "I have been wrongly informed".Gee thanks. But this assertion hardly establishes why "I have been wrongly informed" is ungrammatical at all.But the problem is that "mis-know" is a solecism (Unlike "mis-inform").Quite*. And where one has been 'mis-informed' one may well have been "wrongly informed". So that if mis-informed is not a solecism it would seem "wrongly informed" is not ungrammatical. I could go on.. Dnl * No reason "mis-know" must be treated as a solecism any stronger than the convention of treating "knowing x" as necessarily implying that x is the case (if x is not the case it is wrong, _according to this convention_, to say we "know" x rather than merely think we "know"). But even if we accept that Newton's theory is false, and so are the ancient sky-maps that ships navigated by, both remain within the body of human "knowledge" - and "knowledge" and "knowing" may be used in a sense that does not imply the information "known" is necessarily true. But even if we accept the convention, the assymetry between knowing and 'being informed' would remain: for while, according to that convention, we cannot "know" what is false, there is no reason why therefore we cannot receive information that is false - as indeed is a common experience. Yes. I did go on... ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
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