>First retinal surgery was more painful. I was afraid it might have been as bad as that again. I'm glad it wasn't Judy Evans, Cardiff --- On Thu, 10/11/11, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: the first lines are the argument referred by To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, 10 November, 2011, 20:20 First retinal surgery was more painful. Apropos of our discussion of mind-brain, as my vision opened in the left eye, my “brain” had some vertiginous reaction to reconciling the two images given by each eye, a restlessness and disorientation. My mind observed the effect, evaluated it as a new processing orientation, and shared this information with the people around me, in the form of half-objective kvetch and/or plea for attention. From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judith Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:42 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: the first lines are the argument referred by Ugh. I hope it doesn't hurt too much Judy Evans, Cardiff --- On Tue, 8/11/11, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: the first lines are the argument referred by To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, 8 November, 2011, 19:03By the way, I have had a second retinal detachment surgery and am still recovering, so it’s impossible to keep up with the list’s intense volume. When eye heals and gas bubble goes away, I’ll get some idea of what’s going on in the external world or my self-representation of it. From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Enns Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:40 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: the first lines are the argument referred by Donal McEvoy wrote: "Wondering which Hilary Putnam (and on which planet) Eric means?" Perhaps this one? 'I shall, in short, argue that pain is not a brain state, in the sense of a physical-chemical state of the brain (or even the whole nervous system), but another kind of state entirely. I propose the hypothesis that pain, or the state of being in pain, is a functional state of a whole organism.' (Putnam, 'The Nature of Mental States') Sincerely, Phil Enns