>>As for the question posed by "eric" the symphony si the symphony, which >>ontology eric likes is utterly irrelevant, if eric think it is identical with >>a performance that is one of the possible choices, that, to reiterate, makes >>no difference to the truth of identity statements. This seem to be the nub of our disagreement: the "truth of identity statements." In the example of the DS Tenth Symphony, I agree that my personal choice is irrelevant. However, the simultaneity of multiple true identity statements has not been addressed. Cases in which, for example, the Schrödinger equation truly mean one thing, i.e., the Schrödinger equation IS a description of the form of probability waves for small particles--such cases--are a very small subset of identity statements, which if true are a sampling of eternal verities. However, in everyday life, we encounter simultaneous multiple true identity statements. While not equations or any sort of mathematical statements, these multiple true identity statements are part of the natural world, as real as an abstraction like Platonic solids, and candidates for philosophical discussion. Additionally, there is no way to defend the meaning of one identity statement over another. If you think DS's Tenth is the score and I think it is any particular performance of the score, there is no way to prove one or the other is solely correct. Except by beginning with a consensual definition, a definition which carries an almost tautological argument for one identity or another. Perhaps I am exceptionally dense, but I do not understand the significance of discussing identities without definitions. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html