[lit-ideas] Re: t H s treason

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:34:23 +0100

If so, it must have changed since my 'sojourn' there.

O.K.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Wagner is performed in Israel (the state) both on broadcasts and in
> public. Sigfrid was by Barenboim in Rishon lehZion. The idiocy of Gobineau
> that Wagner loved so much even now grates to many ears. There is however
> nothing at all prohibiting Wagner, rumor has it that Herzl loved the “ring”
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> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Omar Kusturica
> *Sent:* 14 February 2015 23:01
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: Fwd: Re: Pound's treason
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> Actually Wagner's music is not performed in Israel, because he was an
> anti-Semite himself (it's known from his writings) as well as because of
> the fact that it was used by the Nazis. There were probably reasons that
> Hitler liked Wagner.
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> The whole discourse about enjoying 'works of art' but shunning the people
> who created them like a plague seems a bit... well... do as you like.
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> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mike Geary <jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Yes, of course it came from the man, Omar, but no man is one dimensional,
> not even Hitler who was obsessed with Wagner.  Does that then damn
> all German Romantic music?  I try to avoid all biographical information
> about all artists of whatever stripe because I really don't give a damn who
> created a work of art, my only interest is the work itself.  I have
> always approached works of art this way.  All art should be signed simply
> "Artist".  If an artist feels compelled to voice his personal opinion about
> anything, I take it as having no more significance than my own opinions
> have upon the world.  The Devil can quote Scripture and he canwrite
> hopdodddledang poetry as well.  So saith I.
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> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
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> How profound, didn't the art come from the man ?
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> O.K.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Mike Geary* <jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:19 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Pound's treason
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>  Thanks for sending that, Robert.  The conflict between art and artist
> can be a sticky wicket, I agree -- especially when it concerns such serious
> moral questions as Pound's treason, but even in that case I say condemn the
> man, not his art -- his art in my encounter of it then belongs to me and my
> world. His crime does not.
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> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Lawrence quotes from *Wikipedia*.
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> *In the late 1940s, when the poet Ezra Pound was incarcerated in St.
> Elizabeth’s Hospital on treason charges against the US, he corresponded
> with Mullins. In their correspondence, Mullins exclaimed "THE JEWS ARE
> BETRAYING US", in a letter written on Aryan League of America stationery.*
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> Pound was never convicted of treason. He was found to be of unsound mind,
> incapable of understanding the court proceedings or of taking part in his
> own defense. Immediately after the trial he was taken to St Elizabeth's 
> Hospital:
> 'insane.' He remained there for twelve years. (The Federal prosecutors
> apparently did not present their case with much vigor.)
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> I believe the best account of what happened to Pound, after he was
> arrested by the US, in Italy, and ended
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> up in St Elizabeth's, is an article by Robert Wernick. But of course,
> that's only what I believe.
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> <http://www.robertwernick.com/articles/pound.shtml>
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