[lit-ideas] t H s treason
- From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:26:39 +0000
Wagner is performed in Israel (the state) both on broadcasts and in public.
Sigfrid was by Barenboim in Rishon lehZion. The idiocy of Gobineau that Wagner
loved so much even now grates to many ears. There is however nothing at all
prohibiting Wagner, rumor has it that Herzl loved the “ring”
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Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
Sent: 14 February 2015 23:01
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Fwd: Re: Pound's treason
Actually Wagner's music is not performed in Israel, because he was an
anti-Semite himself (it's known from his writings) as well as because of the
fact that it was used by the Nazis. There were probably reasons that Hitler
liked Wagner.
The whole discourse about enjoying 'works of art' but shunning the people who
created them like a plague seems a bit... well... do as you like.
O.K.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mike Geary
<jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes, of course it came from the man, Omar, but no man is one dimensional, not
even Hitler who was obsessed with Wagner. Does that then damn all German
Romantic music? I try to avoid all biographical information about all artists
of whatever stripe because I really don't give a damn who created a work of
art, my only interest is the work itself. I have always approached works of
art this way. All art should be signed simply "Artist". If an artist feels
compelled to voice his personal opinion about anything, I take it as having no
more significance than my own opinions have upon the world. The Devil can
quote Scripture and he canwrite hopdodddledang poetry as well. So saith I.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Omar Kusturica
<omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
How profound, didn't the art come from the man ?
O.K.
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From: Mike Geary
<jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:19 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Pound's treason
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Thanks for sending that, Robert. The conflict between art and artist can be a
sticky wicket, I agree -- especially when it concerns such serious moral
questions as Pound's treason, but even in that case I say condemn the man, not
his art -- his art in my encounter of it then belongs to me and my world. His
crime does not.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Robert Paul
<rpaul@xxxxxxxx<mailto:rpaul@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Lawrence quotes from Wikipedia.
In the late 1940s, when the poet Ezra Pound was incarcerated in St. Elizabeth’s
Hospital on treason charges against the US, he corresponded with Mullins. In
their correspondence, Mullins exclaimed "THE JEWS ARE BETRAYING US", in a
letter written on Aryan League of America stationery.
Pound was never convicted of treason. He was found to be of unsound mind,
incapable of understanding the court proceedings or of taking part in his own
defense. Immediately after the trial he was taken to St Elizabeth's Hospital:
'insane.' He remained there for twelve years. (The Federal prosecutors
apparently did not present their case with much vigor.)
I believe the best account of what happened to Pound, after he was arrested by
the US, in Italy, and ended
up in St Elizabeth's, is an article by Robert Wernick. But of course, that's
only what I believe.
<http://www.robertwernick.com/articles/pound.shtml>
Robert Paul
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