[lit-ideas] Re: stupid stupid stupid news
- From: Erin Holder <erin.holder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:05:07 -0500
Excuse me? Let it be noted, by the way, that I did not "fool" anyone. I have
always been completely open about my age and academic status. If people chose
not to pay attention (which is reasonable since, frankly, my age and academic
status are absolutely IRRELEVANT) that is not my problem. In no way did I try
to intentionally deceive anyone. Moreover, I can interact with whoever I so
choose. If it's your opinion that age ought to dictate social interaction,
then I pity you because you're cutting yourself off from quite a hefty chunk
of the population. But so be it, it's your life. My good riddance speech to
Irene was meant to note that Mike is far too important to me, for me to risk
jeapordizing our friendship with any remark that I know would hurt him. That,
and it was a criticism for her being unable to take a fucking joke. No more,
no less. I can't even conceive of how you could construe it otherwise. Your
attitude, however, is absolutely, ABSOLUTELY appalling. Moreover, I find it
disgusting. That's all I have to say. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have work
to do. No, no it's NOT for a PhD, but give me time you fucking asshole.
Erin
Toronto
Quoting Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > Let me ask you a question Andy, do you stick you nose into groups of
> > people who are playfully ribbing each other? Do you lecture them about
> > being 'mean'?
>
> Frankly, Paul, you could have made your point more effectively without
> calling Irene a "dickhead," and she would have heard you more clearly. My
> blood pressure went up when I saw your string of obscenities. If Irene
> didn't understand how close Erin and Mike are to each other, she's not the
> only one. I didn't either.
>
> Erin has fooled a lot of us into thinking she was older than she is. (She's
>
> only a girl still in college, not even a graduate student going for her
> Ph.D. as many thought she was. She's interacting with 40 - 70 year-olds as
> if she were our equals intellectually and experientially.) But reading her
> "Good riddance" speech to Irene, I realized she's younger than she seems --
>
> acting like she's important and Irene isn't, as if she's part of the
> in-group and Irene isn't. This is junior high school behavior, not even
> college student behavior.
>
> The disrespectful way you two have spoken to Irene isn't warranted, even if
>
> she isn't as perceptive as you thought she should be. I thought the rules on
>
> this listserv were no ad hominem attacks. Stick to the issues, would you
> please? Let's pass on the character assassination.
>
> I'm kinda surprised Andreas hasn't intervened here.
>
> Stan Spiegel
> Portland, ME
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Stone" <pas@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 12:31 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] stupid stupid stupid news
>
>
> > Let's look at the facts, just so everyone, especially those of you who
> > trash emails randomly has them:
> >
> > 1) Mike's new Grandchild has an unusual name
> > 2) It is not pronounced the way it's spelled -- there was a discussion
> > about that
> > 3) Erin made a very funny joke about the middle name
> > 4) EVERYBODY [who has been paying attention] knows that Erin and MIke are
>
> > good friends
> > 5) Andy Amago took her usual offence and stuck her foot in her mouth
> > 6) I told her she was clueless
> > 7) bitter fight ensued
> > 8) Stan is sticking up for her?
> >
> > Now those of us who are defending the defendable are called school
> > children.
> > I ask you to take a look at the facts which are completely available to
> > anyone who can read and actually wants to be sensible.
> >
> > Let me ask you a question Andy, do you stick you nose into groups of
> > people who are playfully ribbing each other? Do you lecture them about
> > being 'mean'?
> >
> > The posts in the last 13 hours are surreal and I'm BLAMING you... That's
> > right, it's your fault. Once again you were incredibly quick to jump on
> > another person so you could work in your warped social/psycho/historical
> > agenda to what you think are the facts. And you do it all the time with no
>
> > other discernible reason other than because you like the havoc that
> > results. Phil is absolutely right, you are a trollqueen. And... in case
> > you are ignorant of what that means, I'm not calling you ugly, or
> > mythologic, or evil, a "troll" in common internet parlance is someone who
>
> > deliberately TROLLS (as in fishing) for a fight. You do it remarkably
> > well. It's too bad we [at least I do] fall for it so easily. Now... I've
> > got relatives to visit.
> >
> > paul
> >
> > _________________
> > [insert pithy quote here]
> > Paul Stone
> > pas@xxxxxxxx
> > Leamington, ON. Canada
> >
> >
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