Grice is well know to be the name of an oxford famous joke (you achieve fame in oxford by saying something idiotic to people who are 96 and drool on bad soup) ‘gee that was rice’ (they found there two grains of rice in some shit in a large tureen), and Austin noted that it should be used as a performative a ‘grice’ for the naming of something vegetable in an otherwise shit soup From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica Sent: 14 March 2015 08:32 To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: speranza's affections Interestingly, the origin of the surname Grice has never been discussed :) On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: Speranza is affected by severe Durchfall. At any particular time, no matter what the question is speranza will look up on the "Wikipedia" some utterly irrelevantfact, the shoelaces of Kripke, the neck size of Ayer and reply with devotedly nonsensical fake knowledge, of the fomr so and so was born in location xxx and this is know to the city hall register of xxx -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: 13 March 2015 22:22 To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Gettieriana In a message dated 3/13/2015 1:25:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> writes: Perhaps we can try something like this: "First we take a vague or ambiguous statement. Then we imagine a context in which it is believed to be true but it comes out false in the sense in which it was ostensibly intended in that imaginary context. Next, we imagine another context which has nothing whatsoever to do with what was ostensibly intended but in which the same statement can be read as true. For effect, we add one or two improbable turns to the story." I think that would be the general recipee for producing examples of "justified true belief that is not knowledge," although variations can be tried. Indeed. Gettier's full name is Edmund L. Gettier, III, and he is from Baltimore. As someone may deduce to know, the Gettiers were and are well-known in Baltimore. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy has an entry, "The analysis of knowledge", with a section on Gettier. It reads, inter alia: "The other [way out to Gettier's problem] is to amend the Justified True Belief analysis of knowledge with a suitable FOURTH condition, a condition that succeeds in preventing justified true belief from being “gettiered.”" On the other hand, Dennett finds 'gettier' a comparative, and describes 'getty', adj. "Describing a counterexample that obtains its conclusion." "Your first rule raises some interesting questions, but your second is gettier." The meaning of the surname Gettier is not known. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html<http://www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html>