EY> By EY> definition, it cannot be clear thinking, since EY> Krugman refuses to examine the basis of his EY> convictions. I disagree. But perhaps Krugman should have been dishonest and cut all of the words below before "we" > If people like me are going to respond effectively to anti-immigrant > demagogues, we have to acknowledge those facts. I'm, like Krugmann, in theory inviolably biassed towards immigration. But rather than say "**** off I'm pro-immigration" I acknowledge such facts as baying anti-immigrant demagogues proffer and (attempt to) counter their fictions. That's politics. His bias is inviolate. In effect, it > is no different than Karl Rove telling some flack, > "This is how we are going to spin the Immigration > issue." This is strategy, not clear thinking. Oh yes it is different from spin. Let's say someone here tells me 3 million Mexicans cross the border every day, rape half the women in California, and live off welfare benefits denied to US citizens. Let's say I tell them what the actual facts are. That's spin? No. (I don't get your distinction between strategy and clear thinking.) Judy Evans, Cardiff ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html