It seems to me that the bottom line issue is these people feel they're above the law. They're ILLEGAL for crying out loud. ILLEGAL, as in against the law. What more is there to say? Why aren't they marching on Mexico City demanding more from that moron they elected for president in their own country? The thing that bothers me too is that, in addition to their being ILLEGAL in this country while demanding jobs and services, their allegiances are with Mexico. Is this not the definition of audacity? ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Evans To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 3/26/2006 7:02:48 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: question on immigration Marlena>Hi, >SO, this is for those who appear to be pro-illegal immigration... >Would you please explain to me why you are okay with it and whether or not you >think complete and >open borders to any country (ie not just the USA but also >Mexico on the southern end which they do >guard pretty carefully, etc.) are >okay? 1. I'm one of those totally crazed people who'd prefer to see free immigration ( but I accept there are few of us left, also that it's a free market idea that fits badly with some of my other ideas) 2. IMPORTANT. I believe that other people here contesting your posts are -- like me, really -- not so much supporting illegal immigration (particularly because of the appalling exploitation of illegal immigrants by unscrupulous companies) as supporting the right of illegal immigrants and in particular their children not to starve to death, not to go unhoused, not to be deprived of medical treatment, while they remain, albeit illegally, in the US. >Do you think the social costs to those in the USA are 'okay'? I think you have little idea what the social costs to those in the USA who are not illegal immigrants actually are. I think it might help if you checked before posting "facts" about -- e.g. -- Kansas. I am hardwired to Google more or less every statement mad about immigration still, it would save time if you would do it sometimes. *Apology. It was indeed Andreas who posted about the Hispanic workers and gave the $12 figure you thought so massive.) Judy Evans, Cardiff