[lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
- From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:01:42 -0500
Thanks Julie. I will watch for him.
Veronica Caley
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From: Julie Krueger
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
A comedian, known for his deadpan delivery and unusual perspectives .. think
Gary Larson.
Julie Krueger
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The rest of the story is that I arrived at a dead end and had to decide
whether to turn right or left. I can't remember which way I turned, but in the
dream I concluded that it was the right way and felt better. Then after a
while, I stopped dreaming that altogether.
Who is Steven Wright?
Veronica Caley
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From: Julie Krueger
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:27 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
Seriously? (No offense, but it almost reads like a Steven Wright
line...). Did you ever arrive home in the dreams?
Julie Krueger
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I had the same dream for 30 years, involving getting lost and looking
for home. When I finally started to remember them and realize how long I had
it, I stopped being home
sick.
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Krueger
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: philosophical dreams
I love your description, Ursula -- much more articulate than the
fumbles I've been able to put together so far. One is, indeed, reminded of
Plato's Cave. This one is also reminded of Calderon de la Barca's La Vida Es
Sueno -- when I first stumbled on it as a teenager, something immediately
resonated with me ... "yes! that's how it feels!" (I'll trade you a few
hyphens for some extra parentheses...I also seem to have more ellipses than I
really need.)
I'm still waiting for someone to talk about situational recurrent
dreams -- those in which different events take place, but the environment is
familiar and the story goes like life does -- each of the dreams, sometimes
days, sometimes weeks apart, picks up in plot where the last left off.
And what about dreams that the next day or the next actually happen,
which one would never have predicted or expected in waking life?
Julie Krueger
Getting ready for tonight's -30 degree wind chill (it won't really be
that cold; it will really be a balmy -3).
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Ursula Stange <Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Isn't there some research recently that suggests that our waking
life (and, I suppose, our dream life) is really the back story to what is
happening in the physical world. Apparently we begin the movement of our arms,
for instance, even before we think to move our arms. We are not pushing
events. Events are pulling us.
Similar to the myoclonic jerk response, notice how swiftly and
expertly we can incorporate a doorbell or telephone ring into our dreams. It
never comes out of nowhere. It always fits neatly into the plot. Creating
backstories, we are, for things which we could not have seen coming. Something
there is that watches....
It suggests that our whole lives are a dream in which we experience
free will and make things happen. Long custom helps to keep that illusion
alive. One is reminded of Plato's theory that madmen and poets know some
truth about that and, so, can't live in this world as happily as the rest of
us. Plato says we all get to peek behind the curtain between our lives but
that most of us (happily, I suppose) have the memory of what we saw there wiped
clean in the (re)birth process. Ursula, finding more punctuation to fling
around....
Eric Yost wrote:
That means there's a Dreamer persona, your character in the
dream. Above that, is the dreaming body which is aware of an impending myclonic
jerk *and* writes it into the script of the dream.
Holistic self is aware of impending myclonic jerk. Somehow, the
Dreamer gets a dream-script in which the (physical) myclonic jerk takes place.
The (physical) jerk of the legs "fits in" to the (representational) ongoing
dream, and had to have been "set up" some moments previous to it.
That means another persona or more comprehensive self than the
dreamer is aware of impending events and prepares the dreamer for it. Jeez, I
just thought it was my unconscious!
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