[lit-ideas] Re: ordnance
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 20:29:20 +0200
I don't know about Wittgensteinians but much of what Wittgenstein says
seems either nonsensical or trivial to me. Since he said as much about all
philosophy, I feel free to say that it seems to be particularly true about
his own. If I invoked "Wittgensteinians", that was only in hope that they
might able to put some meaningful and non-trivial interpretation on some of
his own statements - a hope that, so far, has remained unfulfilled.
O.K.
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >*'Wittgensteinians' are fictions, made up by those who really don't want
> to talk about Wittgenstein—and that because they can't be troubled to
> actually read him. >
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> They are less fictions than Popperians: but I would agree that in both
> cases the best starting point is reading Wittgenstein or Popper rather than
> commentary - not least because they both write much better than (most of)
> their commentators.
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> But there is problem with Wittgenstein given the saying-showing dichotomy
> that runs through his work: for who but someone alerted to this dichotomy
> would realise that when the Tractatus begins "The world is all that is
> the case" it may be added parenthetically "(though these words show the
> truth rather than say something with sense)" or that this parenthetical may
> be appended throughout the Tractatus? Likewise, the saying-showing
> dichotomy, which I suggest continues in Investigations, means a reader
> can often understand the words used but struggle to see Wittgenstein's
> point - because what W seeks to show by what he says is not said by what he
> says.
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> Dnl~ldn
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> On Tuesday, 17 June 2014, 16:53, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> in fact the films stars george clooney as freeman...
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> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> palma writes
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> 'the idiocy of the wittgensteinian ( it was not wittgenstein's own) is
> that once one "knows" that ordinary greek has 'atom' as the thing s.t. it
> is not t[a]mable (cuttbale) then one "knows" that when Fermi cut the atoms
> he said something false and/or meaningless.
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> ............
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> 'one of the cutest ideas of this branch of philosophy is in its taking
> authority by asking the person on the bus etc.'
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> *'Wittgensteinians' are fictions, made up by those who really don't want
> to talk about Wittgenstein—and that because they can't be troubled to
> actually read him.
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> *I understand that a copy of the old black and white movie—starring
> Elizabeth Taylor as Elizabeth Anscombe, Barry Fitzgerald as G. E. Moore,
> and Gregory Peck as the young Wittgenstein—long believed lost—has been
> discovered, and will be released in September.
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> Robert Paul
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> cell phone is 0762362391
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> *only when in Europe*:
> inst. J. Nicod
> 29 rue d'Ulm
> f-75005 paris france
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