[lit-ideas] Re: one good point s] Re: just out curiosity
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:17:21 -0800 (PST)
Fusing logical relations with the relations in the 'real world' makes sense
within Hegel's system because, in that system, the real world only exists as it
is perceived. It is less clear how it makes sense in Marx.
O.K.
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From: adriano paolo shaul gershom palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [lit-ideas] one good point s] Re: just out curiosity
dear Robert Paul
your analogy with hegel and marx fusing logical and causal relationships has
the right framework.
I have a sneaky sense that Wittgenstein's interest is the same sort of interest-
But I promise to write a detailed 'piece' on the matetr
thank you for yoru indication
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Eric wrote
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>> Wittgenstein overrated? The younger or later Wittgenstein? And
>> overrated?
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>> Do you mean Quine did the work, and we should simply update our web of
>> beliefs?
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>> My main concern is with "overrated." Aristotle, Hegel, or Schopenhauer,
>> for example, seem wrong in so many things, seriously wrongheaded, but
>> one cannot overrate them. If the legacy of a philosopher is to stimulate
>> "the long discussion," rating itself seems inconsequential.
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>> More interested in the journey than the destination.
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>One might say that Hegel, although he thought he stood on the shoulder
>of at least one giant was mistaken. However, he strongly influenced
>Marx, whose writings influenced a lot of people.
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>Insofar as both Marx and Hegel seemed to think that there were logical
>relations between contingent matters of fact (and apparently confused
>logical relations with causal ones) they were both seriously muddled.
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>However, both are, by many estimates, powerful thinkers, and even though
>this estimate is unfounded from a logical point of view, both might be
>said to be 'important,' based on their ratings in the polls.
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>I think that Wittgenstein could have beaten up on both of them and on
>any of their soi-disant followers, as well. Of course, the question is
>'Who's the judge?' Or, 'Who are the judges?' and what are the criteria
>that they use?*
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>I find Wittgenstein interesting and challenging. As Eric says,
>Wittgenstein stimulated the 'long discussion,' while Quine e.g. was
>chirping in the weeds.
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>Robert Paul.
>just along for the ride
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>*'What is a judge?' is sometimes mistaken for a philosophical question;
>it shouldn't be.
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