[lit-ideas] Re: not as much about what you know but when (n d cusa)
- From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:08:02 +0200
the speaker was austin and the words are from s morgenbesser
on the peril of being boolean
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Walter C. Okshevsky <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
wrote:
> The oxymoronic character of "conjectural knowledge" reminds me of the
> story of a
> philosopher who states in his lecture:
>
> "We are of course agreed that two conjoined negatives in the same statement
> yield an affirmative statement, while two conjoined affirmatives continue
> to
> yield an affirmative statement."
>
> A sceptical listener in the front row, uttered "Yeah, yeah."
>
> It is reputed the auditor was John Searle.
>
> Walter O
>
> P.S. Another example of a dispositional understanding of JTB theory:
> "Well I'm
> a believer, and I couldn't leave her, if I tried."
>
> P.P.S And which critic of Descartes and traditional epistemology crooned:
> "He's
> a real knower-man, sitting in his knower-land ... You don't know what
> you're
> missin'" And then a line resembling something from McDowell.
>
>
> Walter C. Okshevsky, PhD
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>
> Quoting Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> >
> > >"Knowing me knowing you."
> >
> > Very nice. I would submit that the reason why we can understand that is
> that
> > we
> > accept JTB theory. Anyone got a problem with that?>
> >
> > Almost everyone. Abba songs, particularly this one, cannot vindicate
> > JTB-theory - no more than "She Loves You" vindicates that there are other
> > minds, or "Stayin' Alive" vindicates Darwinism. In that particular Abba
> song,
> > two commonplace phrases ['Knowing me..." and "Knowing you..."] are
> conjoined
> > to give a fatalistic perspective on a relationship that is breaking down
> but
> > the conjunction gives ironic play to the notion of "knowing" here - for
> it is
> > the gap between them and their lack of self-knowledge and knowledge of
> each
> > other that is the underlying theme, a theme that explains the
> unworkability
> > of the relationship so that the only knowledge given is the concluding
> > "...there is nothing we can do."
> >
> > This might be contrasted with a JTB-theory version of "Knowing Me,
> Knowing
> > You" where the lyric might continue..."You will ask if there's anything
> else
> > on television when I'm watching my favourite programme, and I will say
> you
> > only asked that to annoy me when you know - in a JTB sense - that this
> is my
> > favourite programme." But even here we might question the level of
> > self-knowledge and knowledge of each other in JTB terms, as it seems
> quite an
> > immature relationship.
> >
> >
> > Abba scholars have also pointed out the non-JTB character of "Knowing Me,
> > Knowing You" is even clearer in the original Swedish where the title
> > "Konjectuerat mich, Konjectuerat dich" makes clear that the "knowledge"
> > involved is merely of a conjectural sort.
> >
> > Dnl
> > On a very wet August bank holiday in London
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, 25 August 2014, 15:09, Walter C. Okshevsky <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Knowing me knowing you."
> >
> > Very nice. I would submit that the reason why we can understand that is
> that
> > we
> > accept JTB theory. Anyone got a problem with that?
> >
> > Cheers, Walter
> >
> > P.S. No, I don't think that any conception of "knowing how" or Russell's
> "by
> > acquaintance" notion of knowledge will suffice here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Torgeir Fjeld <torgeir_fjeld@xxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > > "Knowing Me Knowing You"
> > >
> > >
> > > No more carefree laughter
> > > Silence ever after
> > > Walking through an empty house, tears in my eyes
> > > Here is where the story ends, this is goodbye
> > >
> > > Knowing me, knowing you (ah-haa)
> > > There is nothing we can do
> > > Knowing me, knowing you (ah-haa)
> > > We just have to face it, this time we're through
> > > (This time we're through, this time we're through
> > > This time we're through, we're really through)
> > > Breaking up is never easy, I know but I have to go
> > > (I have to go this time
> > > I have to go, this time I know)
> > > Knowing me, knowing you
> > > It's the best I can do
> > >
> > > Mem'ries (mem'ries), good days (good days), bad days (bad days)
> > > They'll be (they'll be), with me (with me) always (always)
> > > In these old familiar rooms children would play
> > > Now there's only emptiness, nothing to say
> > >
> > > Nevermind the aporia in the final stanze.
> > >
> > > Med vennlig hilsen / Yours sincerely,
> > >
> > > Torgeir Fjeld
> > >
> > > http://independent.academia.edu/TorgeirFjeld
> >
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