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I guess I could take Geary's advice and not make the little guy into a laughing stock/whipping post and just toe the line with all the tooth-faerie, santa claus stuff. And this IS probably the best advice to not rock the boat... but I still have tremendous philosophical reservations about doing this.
Ach! is that how I come across?? To me child rearing is all about unconditional love. I remember my mom telling me when I was 4 or 5 that there was nothing I could do that would stop her from loving me. Nothing. I was so impressed that I can recall the whole scene some 60 years after. Surely the most impressed I've ever been in my life. My dad was every bit as loving as mom, but at the same time, in some vague, uniquely male way, more remote. I guess there's something about guyness that inhibits unlimited love. That's the saddest sentence I've ever written. Good luck, fella. Let the kid believe as the kid needs, it's all just belief after all, even our most cherished truths, just beliefs. My advice for down the road: preface every statement with the caveats: I believe, we believe, they believe -- raise the kid a pragmatist. He'll become one anyway -- or an evangelical.
Mike Geary Memphis----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stone" <pastone@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] my 2007 booklist
Not believing in God but believing in the belief in God,For a year in which we welcomed our first child (a son, in May) into the world, I also undertook to try and make more sense of things that 'ought' to matter. While gestation was progressing (isn't that clinical?), I thought of all the things an expectant father might think of -- and probably more -- but front and centre was "how do I explain 'belief' to him?" My first thought was that I didn't want to impart 'just-so stories' to him, unless they were actually Kipling's. As a lifelong (since I was about 4) "unbeliever", I read books both those that were familiar: Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion) Christopher Hitchens (God is NOT Great) Sam Harris (The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation) Michel Onfray (In Defence of Atheism) Victor Stenger (God: The Failed Hypothesis)But, also those with which I had to actively hunt down for the 'other' side:Alister E. McGrath , Joanna Collicutt Mcgrath (The Dawkins Delusion?: Atheist Fundamentalism and the Denial of the Divine)Michael Behe (The Edge of Evolution: The Search for the Limits of Darwinism)Dinesh D'Souza (What is so Good about Christianity) Francis Collins (The Language of God) Mario Beauregard and Denyse O'leary (The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist's Case for the Existence of the Soul) As well as a host of Philosophical or "Scientific" books including, but not limited to: Steven Pinker (The Stuff of Thought -- JLS would LOVE this book!) Douglas R. Hofstadter (I am a Strange Loop) Daniel Dennett (Breaking the Spell) And guess what... I'm STILL an unbeliever and still confused as to what to impart upon our babe. I guess I could take Geary's advice and not make the little guy into a laughing stock/whipping post and just toe the line with all the tooth-faerie, santa claus stuff. And this IS probably the best advice to not rock the boat... but I still have tremendous philosophical reservations about doing this. We have already had him baptized - something which I took as little part in as I could, but I did mainly for his mother. This was a very informal, family-only ceremony which saw me burst out laughing when we were asked to do the "answers" to 'god's wishes' etc. as I read the prayer book and I was asked "DO you, in the name of this Child, renounce the devil and all his works, the vain pomp and glory of the world, with all covetous desires of the same, and the sinful desires of the flesh, so that you will not follow nor be led by them? I found myself feeling as if I was trapped in a Monty Python Skit. But I made it through and I guess if the little feller dies, he won't go sideways. In doing some research about the ceremony, I noticed that The Anglican Church has a provision for "emergency baptism" in the case of a sick child. All I can say is "WOW!" But I thought the vatican and all that is 'wise' convened for a few years of merriment to decide that they were going to abolish "limbo". Anyway... after finishing D'Souza's book "What's So Good about Christianity" last weekend, I can honestly say that I STILL DON'T KNOW. It was a very good book and he had some really interesting arguments against some of the "famous" atheist's (harris, dennett, dawkins, hitchens) claims and complaints but he didn't really offer me anything that is 'SO GOOD' about his deal and he certainly didn't change my views about much at all. Good food for thought, but thinking ain't never gonna make this person a Christian. So, I'm still working through it. Matthew isn't speaking yet and he probably doesn't understand a lot, although he is a very happy baby and smiles/laughs very much more than he cries. I can only chalk that up to the very fact that he DOESN'T understand very much yet. Maybe it's because his dad is so funny... looking. It's that or possibly he's already located "the lord" in a realm that I don't have access to. As Walter, believing in belief, but not so much for me. paul ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
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