[lit-ideas] Re: [lit-ideas]

  • From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:49:32 +0000

Gonville was some imbecile who gave money to universities, that’s all is needed

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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: [lit-ideas]

Did Ezra Pound know Gonville ? And was Gonville in any way related to Mursili 
the Hittite ?


On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Adriano Palma 
<Palma@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So frigging no body

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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The retreat to commitment

In a message dated 2/15/2015 3:18:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
Palma@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> writes in reply to Geary's reference 
to "Gonville and Caius and  I will reply straightaway"

>Who is gonville?

I'm sure Palma was perhaps confused that Geary meant to reply about  both 
Gonville and Caius.

Caius we more or less all know about.

But, as Palma asks,

>Who is [G]onville?

There were many Gonvilles. The one W. W. Bartley, III, refers to in his 
brilliant "The retreat to commitment" is Edmund Gonville.

He was the second son of William Gonville, a Frenchman. In French, 'ville'
means 'ville' (as in "Nashville, Tennessee"), and "gon" means "gon".
William  Gonville's first-born son was Nicholas Gonville, who married into the 
Lerling  family. (William Gonville owned the Manor of Lerling).

Gonville is best known for having founded what is now known as "Gonville and 
Caius" that Bartley refers to.

Those who know Gonville and Caius find Gonville and Caius overinformative and 
refer to Gonville and Caius as Caius which is, to say the least (or 
nevertheless, as Geary prefers) unfair to Gonville.

Other than founding what would later be called Gonville and Caius (or simply 
Caius), Gonville had previously founded two religious institutions, Rushworth, 
and The Hospital of St John, at Lynn.

The origin of his wealth is obscure. Some say it derived from his father; some 
from his mother, and some elsewhere, but he was locally known as 'wealthy  

Gonville worked for Edward III, King of England, in some useful capacity.
Among his jobs, it was that of lending money to the King (or 'mony', as it was  
then spelt).

In return for the 'mony', Gonville was rewarded with appointment as king's 
clerk -- pronounced clark -- a post later known as Secretary of State -- vide  
Hillary Clinton (and John Kerry -- the first secretary of state 'across the  
pond' from Gonville was Jefferson, whom Ezra Pound admired (Ref.:
"Negli  anni di Rapallo pubblicò via via i volumi contenenti i canti 31-41 

Supported (morally) by Sir Walter Manny, Gonville petitioned Edward III to set 
up what would later become Gonville and Caius (or Caius) -- The number of  
members of Gonville and Caius was set to "20" only. The king agreed, and  
permission was granted by Edward III who issued the Letters patent.

Bartley is right in being grateful to Gonville and Caius.

The retreat of commitment owes a lot to Gonville and Caius (or  Caius).



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