[lit-ideas] Re: [lit-ideas]
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:08:06 +0100
Did Ezra Pound know Gonville ? And was Gonville in any way related to
Mursili the Hittite ?
O.K.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> So frigging no body
>
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> In a message dated 2/15/2015 3:18:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Palma@xxxxxxxxxx writes in reply to Geary's reference to "Gonville and
> Caius and I will reply straightaway"
>
> >Who is gonville?
>
> I'm sure Palma was perhaps confused that Geary meant to reply about both
> Gonville and Caius.
>
> Caius we more or less all know about.
>
> But, as Palma asks,
>
> >Who is [G]onville?
>
> There were many Gonvilles. The one W. W. Bartley, III, refers to in his
> brilliant "The retreat to commitment" is Edmund Gonville.
>
> He was the second son of William Gonville, a Frenchman. In French, 'ville'
> means 'ville' (as in "Nashville, Tennessee"), and "gon" means "gon".
> William Gonville's first-born son was Nicholas Gonville, who married into
> the Lerling family. (William Gonville owned the Manor of Lerling).
>
> Gonville is best known for having founded what is now known as "Gonville
> and Caius" that Bartley refers to.
>
> Those who know Gonville and Caius find Gonville and Caius overinformative
> and refer to Gonville and Caius as Caius which is, to say the least (or
> nevertheless, as Geary prefers) unfair to Gonville.
>
> Other than founding what would later be called Gonville and Caius (or
> simply Caius), Gonville had previously founded two religious institutions,
> Rushworth, and The Hospital of St John, at Lynn.
>
> The origin of his wealth is obscure. Some say it derived from his father;
> some from his mother, and some elsewhere, but he was locally known as
> 'wealthy Gonville'.
>
> Gonville worked for Edward III, King of England, in some useful capacity.
> Among his jobs, it was that of lending money to the King (or 'mony', as it
> was then spelt).
>
> In return for the 'mony', Gonville was rewarded with appointment as king's
> clerk -- pronounced clark -- a post later known as Secretary of State --
> vide Hillary Clinton (and John Kerry -- the first secretary of state
> 'across the pond' from Gonville was Jefferson, whom Ezra Pound admired
> (Ref.:
> "Negli anni di Rapallo pubblicò via via i volumi contenenti i canti 31-41
> ("Jefferson")).
>
> Supported (morally) by Sir Walter Manny, Gonville petitioned Edward III to
> set up what would later become Gonville and Caius (or Caius) -- The number
> of members of Gonville and Caius was set to "20" only. The king agreed,
> and permission was granted by Edward III who issued the Letters patent.
>
> Bartley is right in being grateful to Gonville and Caius.
>
> The retreat of commitment owes a lot to Gonville and Caius (or Caius).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Speranza
>
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