Did Ezra Pound know Gonville ? And was Gonville in any way related to Mursili the Hittite ? O.K. On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > So frigging no body > > -----Original Message----- > From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: > lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: 15 February 2015 15:53 > To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The retreat to commitment > > In a message dated 2/15/2015 3:18:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Palma@xxxxxxxxxx writes in reply to Geary's reference to "Gonville and > Caius and I will reply straightaway" > > >Who is gonville? > > I'm sure Palma was perhaps confused that Geary meant to reply about both > Gonville and Caius. > > Caius we more or less all know about. > > But, as Palma asks, > > >Who is [G]onville? > > There were many Gonvilles. The one W. W. Bartley, III, refers to in his > brilliant "The retreat to commitment" is Edmund Gonville. > > He was the second son of William Gonville, a Frenchman. In French, 'ville' > means 'ville' (as in "Nashville, Tennessee"), and "gon" means "gon". > William Gonville's first-born son was Nicholas Gonville, who married into > the Lerling family. (William Gonville owned the Manor of Lerling). > > Gonville is best known for having founded what is now known as "Gonville > and Caius" that Bartley refers to. > > Those who know Gonville and Caius find Gonville and Caius overinformative > and refer to Gonville and Caius as Caius which is, to say the least (or > nevertheless, as Geary prefers) unfair to Gonville. > > Other than founding what would later be called Gonville and Caius (or > simply Caius), Gonville had previously founded two religious institutions, > Rushworth, and The Hospital of St John, at Lynn. > > The origin of his wealth is obscure. Some say it derived from his father; > some from his mother, and some elsewhere, but he was locally known as > 'wealthy Gonville'. > > Gonville worked for Edward III, King of England, in some useful capacity. > Among his jobs, it was that of lending money to the King (or 'mony', as it > was then spelt). > > In return for the 'mony', Gonville was rewarded with appointment as king's > clerk -- pronounced clark -- a post later known as Secretary of State -- > vide Hillary Clinton (and John Kerry -- the first secretary of state > 'across the pond' from Gonville was Jefferson, whom Ezra Pound admired > (Ref.: > "Negli anni di Rapallo pubblicò via via i volumi contenenti i canti 31-41 > ("Jefferson")). > > Supported (morally) by Sir Walter Manny, Gonville petitioned Edward III to > set up what would later become Gonville and Caius (or Caius) -- The number > of members of Gonville and Caius was set to "20" only. The king agreed, > and permission was granted by Edward III who issued the Letters patent. > > Bartley is right in being grateful to Gonville and Caius. > > The retreat of commitment owes a lot to Gonville and Caius (or Caius). > > Cheers, > > Speranza > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html >