I do not eat fat but I am not insensitive to its value to most fast food giants straddling the globe on their chubby little legs. Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Mr. Spratt, welcome to the list. I assume you're an American, even if you presumably eat no fat. This is an interesting premise. Perhaps it's because Islam only preserved, didn't create, where the Greeks created. But then, the Romans copied the Greeks. Christianity was to some extent based in philosophy, while Islam is strictly theology. The Europeans veered away from religion with the advent of the Renaissance, while Islam veered more strongly toward religion. Religion is a perpetual Dark Ages. Sometimes we clash with that which we see ourselves in. We, the U.S., don't want to admit we're moving into, or have moved into, a new Dark Ages, so we reject that part of ourselves by giving it onto others, the Islamists. In that sense We Are Islam, and Islam is Us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Spratt To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 8/20/2006 1:57:41 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] islam 'r us As new member of this list a question is on my mind. If the Christian and philosophical underpinnings of the west are built upon the thoughts of Aristotle, and these thoughts were preserved by Islamic scholars while Europe was wallowing in the Platonic Dark Ages, why this disengagement by westerners from recognizing Islam as a major contributor to what the west has become? Rather than comparing the US to Rome would it not be more helpful to compare it to Islam? After all Islam is a scientific, philosophical, religious and warrior empire that survived, not to mention that it is an empire that cannot be defined geographically not unlike the spread of unrestrained global capitalism. It may be that the west?s thought processes run along the same lines as Islam but denial is a strong force. J.S. The one thing we lack is a handy utopia. --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low PC-to-Phone call rates.