[lit-ideas] -ideas] Re: August Thoughts on

  • From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 05:36:12 +0000

Old civilizations hate each other purely on the basis of idiocy, hence
varoufakis hates tsipras and viceversa

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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: August Thoughts on First Black President

In comparison, we in the Balkans seem much more advanced- we don't hate each
other on the basis of race (we look too much alike physically for that to be
plausible) but on the basis of cultural, religious, and in some cases
linguistic differences. This is a lot more realistic, I would think.


On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Mike Geary
<jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
You guys (and gals) are simple, dim-witted savages when it comes to
appreciating the complexities of bigotry and prejudice as manifest through
race, national-origin, social status, religious affiliation, gender, and
cross-gender identity, to name but some of the more common prejudices we here
in the South love to engage in. Come spend a day, just one day, in Mississippi
or a week in Memphis -- you'll be thrilled by the varieties of bigotry and
fascinated by the subtleties of expression.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Eric
<mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Chris raises the issue of terminological racism, and through it the Gramscian
notion of redeeming minority narratives by changing terms. When I consider
"pejorative racial stereotyping of the indigenous peoples of North America ...
in the language" I see that the idea of Gramscian progress must confront "the
Presentism Fallacy."

Wikipedia defines the Presentism Fallacy in part as, "the anachronistic
introduction of present-day ideas and perspectives into depictions or
interpretations of the past. Some modern historians seek to avoid presentism in
their work because they believe it creates a distorted understanding of their
subject matter."

While Pound's political car crash with "savages" is to be deplored, I wouldn't
blame language per se. Rather there is a conflict between modern egalitarian
ideals and the belief that these are best advanced by linguistic means rather
than simple everyday actions.

All of our distant ancestors were savages. What matters, to my mind, is how we
treat people today, by just actions rather than by name-changing games.


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