[lit-ideas] Re: grades & kleenex
- From: "Steven G. Cameron" <stevecam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 14:28:27 -0400
Judith Evans wrote:
> I don't know what you mean by truly preferred. Way back when second-wave
> feminism began, and indeed, before that, everybody used "sex"/"the sexes"
> to refer to the fact that there were two, er, sexes. Cf _The Second Sex_.)
> "Gender", then, referred to (and, "gender", then, refers to) the social
> constructs of "woman" and "man". This is now thought by feminists (except
> for me...) to be hopelessly passe. But the reasons for this have nothing
> whatsoever to do with the fact that "sex" is also used as shorthand for
> sexual intercourse. (Over here people say "wanna fuck?", but I accept that
> over there, people may say "do you want to have sex?".)
**Actually, the number of euphemisms is quite extensive -- some rather
comic. Should a form ask for ones "gender" or "sex" or is either truly
correct??
>
> Talking of over there and over here... the actor in Scoobydoo was on one of
> our main chat shows tonight; nice man; he wasn't used to our quaint customs
> like guests sitting around boozing together, and he arrived "on stage"
> *hammered*.
>
> Back to sex and sex. I see no need for confusion. I'd say it's obvious
> that laws that promote sexual equality aren't about the right of individual
> A to "have as much sex" as individual B. As for "gender" as a pomo term,
> well, as my mini-drone suggests, "gender" as a non-grammatical term is
> hardly new.
>
> Are you winding me up?
**Nah, honestly not confident of correct usage -- (also still confused
by the plural of person as well: "people" or "persons")??.
> That isn't a hostile question. I thought people knew
> about the basic sex-gender usage/s, if not about the more arcane aspects of
> the more recent stuff.
**It's not solely about generalities, but rather part of instruction --
would like to direct the students correctly.
>
> If this is a bit frivolous, it's because I'm still thinking (benignly)
> about ScoobyDoo's hammered friend.
>
**My thoughts at present: looking forward to semester's end and a break
from papers, grades, and administrators...
TC,
/Steve Cameron, NJ
>
>
> Judy Evans
> jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron
>>Sent: 07 May 2004 20:25
>>To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: grades & kleenex
>>
>>
>>
>>**Is someone identified by sex (not gender) or engage in it?? My
>>confusion is: whether it has always been ok to use "sex" when "gender"
>>is a more appropriate word, or if "gender" is just a pomo term, exiling
>>"sex" to the act. Is it a question of (modern) usage or is one truly
>>preferred??
>>
>>TC,
>>
>>/Steve Cameron, NJ
>>
>>Judith Evans wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>**Is it acceptable to use "gender" and "sex" as synonyms
>>>>(interchangeably)??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No. I take the (old-fashioned) view that sex is a designation based on
>>>biology, gender a social construct. But when I talk about
>>
>>grammar I do say
>>
>>>"gender" as that is customary. Mea culpa?
>>>
>>>
>>>Judy Evans
>>>jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steven G. Cameron
>>>>Sent: 07 May 2004 19:42
>>>>To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: grades & kleenex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Paul Stone wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>At 02:07 PM 5/7/2004, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>But I didn't know we knew the teacher's sex.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>**Is it acceptable to use "gender" and "sex" as synonyms
>>>>(interchangeably)??
>>>>
>>>>TC,
>>>>
>>>>/Steve Cameron, NJ
>>>>
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