the point is the ability to acquire language needs not be conceptualized as
being ITSELF a language
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
well, i am unclear on whether you agree with Fodor, so... as you want
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am unclear on whether you ask the questions to me or to Fodor.
in my case I think it not very useful, in Fodor's case abilities are not
languages, except language. The extended argument is indeed available in
between the views of Modularity of the Mind and The Language of Thought (to
be understood as titles)
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
and why should inborn cognitive abilities be framed as language
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
why should language be a special case
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 4:20 PM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
tennis is not a language (eg it does not have comp and creat/ accordin
to fodor, I am unsure whether that is the disucssion to be had)
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thus, I could never learn how to play tennis unless I already knew
some other game subconsciously... does not sound very plausible
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Now I see that your name must be Vidanovich,
You are right, though the LOT of Fodor is not a metalanguage. J A
FODOR take sit to be a language, full stop-
In case you care I wrote about it (I find it missing some of the key
ingredients of being a language)
The ingredient that is to be understood, is that Fodor (circa
1970’s) understands learning as a process of translation/induction,
hence
no 1st language is learnable at all unless and until learner x Has
A LANGUAGE, since x learns L1, x has a language which is not Russian,
Turkish, church slavnic etc. (it is.. a language of thought)
best
*From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
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Dr Palma, to add an author who might have shed some light on our
little problem: Jerry A Fodor, still alive. The author of Language of
Thought (1975, I believe). I was playing devil’s advocate, extending
his
ideas that I do not necessarily subscribe to. Nevertheless, I do
believe
that whenever we think we might think about what we think that should be
viewed as a meta stance towards a (language of) thought. Which is
preconscious, mostly, just like we drive our car from point A to point
B,
never actively or consciously thinking about what we have done. So I
reckon that we just may possess the same ability to mull over what we
think. I could be wrong, utterly wrong, of course. Enjoy your Monday.
Djordje Vidanovic
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On Mar 19, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Dr Djordje, in one sense it is trivially true: assuming there
is a medium of thinking -- one may call that a language-- any
consideration
OF thinking is a metalanguage.
In such a view, e.g., memory is a metalanguage
I suggest
Proust M
Proust J
Koriat A
The 1st the long dead famous French artist, the others alive and
working on METAcognition, precisely what you suggest
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Language of thought
I believe that the moment one starts to think about possible answers
to this, one is involved in a metalanguage of thinking (about a
language of
thought). Humans do that all the time, unconsciously or rather
preconsciously.
Djordje
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On Mar 17, 2017, at 1:39 PM, -tor <phatic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Can there be a metalanguage of thinking?
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always come back again to this. It is necessary both to say and to
think that being is; for it is possible that being is, and it is
impossible that not-being is; this is what I bid thee ponder." --
The
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