[lit-ideas] Re: education
- From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:49:59 -0400
From Andy:If an employer has a choice between an English major and a business
major, which one do you think he'll probably hire for his marketing department?
That business as a major has proliferated speaks for itself.
If that business person is hiring for the marketing department, psychologists
and linguists would be a far better choice. Both in liberal arts departments I
believe. A combination of these two disciplines would be unbeatable. I would
hire that person in a second. Just consider what advertising has done to/for
people and the language of politics. Watch Republicans, every one, repeat the
same word or same phrase. One of the keys to persuasion is repetition. Read
about Frank Lutz the master, below. Although his Ph.DO is in political
science, check the box at left for what he specializes in. And all over the
world, too. All liberal arts studies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Paul
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Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: education
Andy wrote
A major thing, probably the major thing, that drives most people today is
money, how to get more of everything.
[snip]
Wall Street was such a big draw until the crash that there was a visible
drain in the sciences, and the slack was picked up by foreign students.
*[How] did you find this out?...
Andy: I didn't reason this, I read it, and not just once. Math and
science is not our strong point, at least at the high school level. Graduate
science is being taken over by foreign students. Their (sic) own systems are
catching up, and they're here in great numbers, in the MIT's and other places.
*On the value of foreign students coming to the US to study science:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK11500/
In the meantime, we're not cranking out scientists. If anything, we're
still chomping at the bit to teach creationism instead of evolution. However,
Wall Street was a magnet. That's just a fact.
*When you say that 'we' are chomping at the bit to teach Creationism, to whom
does 'we' refer? Certainly not to the same 'we' who are not 'cranking out
scientists.'
Andy: This might be true, I can't speak from experience. However,
businesses still want MBA's, not liberal arts graduates per se. If someone
isn't going on to get an MBA, they'll major in business, which happens a lot.
If an employer has a choice between an English major and a business major,
which one do you think he'll probably hire for his marketing department? That
business as a major has proliferated speaks for itself.
Well, you might want to browse these sites and see whether they confirm your
view that there has been a proliferation of business majors.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/01/21/freshmen
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/12/13/business
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/blog/the_decline_of_the_business_ma.php
http://daniellesayz.com/2011/02/poor-economy-triggers-a-decline-in-business-majors/
http://daniellesayz.com/2011/02/poor-economy-triggers-a-decline-in-business-majors/
http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/09/14/the-decline-of-the-mba&view=comments
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2011/09/16/applications-for-mbas-decrease/
Robert Paul
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