[lit-ideas] Re: deep questions

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 02:40:09 -0700 (PDT)

Definitely eating rice would have to remind one of Grice. In this sense, China 
is a Gricean country, founded on the Communicative Maxims. 

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:19 AM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
one just thought, what would not remind of grice? eating pilaf noodles?

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote:

In a message dated 4/14/2014 8:40:57 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
>omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>James Bryce is an author  who definitely compared the Roman and the British
>modes of imperial  administration, particularly the administration in
>India. His essay "The Ancient  Roman Empire and
>the British Empire in India" is here:
>This is a good link. For the record, Wikipedia has an entry on Bryce, who
>was ambassador to the USA, and a native of Ireland, as I recall. He is best
>known, the Wikipedia entry says, as a Byzantinist, but apparently he hated
>the  label (* Oddly this reminds me of Grice *) -- but he did write a story
>of the  later Empire (Oddly, in Italian 'history' and 'story' are NOT
>distinguished! --  do not multiply senses beyond necessity).
>It would have been good if Bryce just focused on comparing Roman Empire and
> Brtish Empire _simpliciter_ rather than "British Empire IN INDIA" as he
>does --  which takes away some of the general interest his study might
>otherwise have!  But apparently the two things were _pretty_ different.
>L. Helm was wondering about 'fruitful comparisons', borrowing a phrase from
> Historum. In the case of Bryce, I do wonder. The thing, published circa
>1914 I  think, by the Clarendon Press (typically) may have been influential --
>and  perhaps taught a lesson or two to the Oxford-educated Civil Servants
>that  populated India back then.
>Incidentally, Bryce has a lot of titles.
>He is The Right Honourable The Viscount Bryce OM GCVO PC FRS FBA -- if you
>The site Omar K. mentions comprises two studies by Bryce: this comparison
>and one on Roman Law and British Law.
>* Once J. L. Austin said to Grice, "Trouble with you is you don't care what
> the dictionary says" "I don't. I actually give a hoot what the dictionary
>says".  "And that's where you make your big mistake". The next day Grice did
>follow  Austin's advice. He started to browse the Oxford Concise
>Dictionary, from A to  Z. He was then analysing 'feeling aggravated', ;feeling
>amazed', 'feeling angry'  but he stopped when he reached 'byzantine' for he 
>he could find an  implicature, even, for 'I'm feeling rather byzantine
>today." * *
>** Seriously, it's a good thing that Bryce is called a Byzantinist,
>although he said he was writing on Roman history simpliciter. He possibly
>rejected the idea that the Roman Empire comprised two parts: occidentalis and
>orientalis. As history goes, the attempt of Byzantine reconquest was an
>interesting thing and left a mark or two if only in ecclesiastical  
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