[lit-ideas] come on

  • From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:19:15 +0000

Nobody who has an iq above 9 believes thsu junk, rorty? The cultural 
ethnocentrism? Hitler? Who?

From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
Sent: 27 February 2015 12:45
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Justifying Moral Principles?

Another problem with cultural ethnocentrism is that it fails to explain how 
people like Buddha or Socrates or Jesus came to hold moral beliefs that had not 
been previously widely shared in their respective cultures, and how their views 
proved persuasive to others. In other words, the view of culture that is held 
in the age of air travel and telecommunications is, amazingly, one of a closed, 
uniform, and unchanging system. Go figure.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:02 AM, palma 
<palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
this has nothing to do with anything moral. confused idiots like 
propaganda/advertising and so forth. thereby they out high premium on the spin 
they put on the wares they peddle. it the same for the lawyers, the sophist, 
the clowns, the thespians.'

it is a conceptual truth that persuasion has nothing to do with morals, in 
either the public or the private sphere. once c manson convinced & persuaded 
shitheads that sharon tate had to be slaughtered, the persuasion has nothing to 
do with the morality of the speeches he gave or the acts he fostered

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Omar Kusturica 
<omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
All kinds of discourses can be persuasive. Hitler's speeches were persuasive to 
an audience that had some predisposition to be persuaded by them, the Germans 
of the 1930s. You and I might not find them so persuasive today, but that is 
because we are not their intended audience. Persuasion need not have much to do 
with reasoning.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:00 AM, John McCreery 
<john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Persuasive perhaps. But a reasoner? The only one I know is fiction, a very 
smart gun, indeed, in a science fiction novel The Star Faction by Ken Macleod.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Omar Kusturica 
<omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
A pointed gun is a persuasive reasoner.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:47 AM, John McCreery 
<john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Readily available to anyone who can use a Google or other search engine.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Adriano Palma 
<Palma@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Rorty who?

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[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Walter C. Okshevsky
Sent: 26 February 2015 23:43
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Omar Kusturica
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Justifying Moral Principles?

Rorty didn't express any optimism or pessimism re the possibilities or future 
of his "ethnocentrism." His claim, pace the realists, constructivists, 
Kantians, emotivists, etc was that this is all we've got as a justification 

Remembering fondly the forests of Opatsia, the slivovitz in Slovenia, and Katya 
in Lyublyana.

Dovijenya, Valodsya

Quoting Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>>:

> The idea that people should be as ethnocentric and partisan as
> possible and that the clash of radically defined opposing interests
> will somehow work out for the best was rather widespread in the former
> Yugoslavia some time around 1990. The things did work out eventually,
> but arguably not for the best.
> O.K.
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Phil Enns 
> <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:phil.enns@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > Walter O. wrote:
> >
> > "We justify our judgements and actions through the giving and
> > assessing of reasons.  In doing so, we

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