Hi there, I am back after a two year illness. The bit about Duck went to my husband by someone using my computer but I agree with it. This refers to an article in the New York Times about an animal processing plant in Iowa. They arrested a number of illegal immigrants from Guatemala who had Social Security numbers that had belonged to Americans. The Guatemalans will most likely be deported after a short jail term. The plant owners will most likely get a slap on the wrist. The plant is owned by an Orthodox Jewish community with a rabbi in charge, supervising the processing of kosher meat. The article said that the animals had their wind pipes removed while still alive. Hence the reference to the Humane Society. The whole article was very disturbing, as it ought to be. Also, I don't think there really are kosher Jews, just Jews who keep kosher. Ah, the fingers are faster than the brain, as is sometimes the mouth. Veronica ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Krueger To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: a little more on books Now that's one of the more eye-catching posts of late .... I'm dying to know what the "this" is about which you are of several minds. It sounds potential fascinating. Julie Krueger On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Duck, Thanks for sharing. I am of several minds about this. On the one hand, I would like these immigrants to be returned to their countries to prevent more of them coming. Also, I would like to see the company fined heftily, especially a religious organization owns it. I hope kosher Jews rise up en masse. And I wonder why there is not a person from the human society is not stationed in these factories. Very upsetting. Also, I don't believe that none of the immigrants knew what a soc. sec. no. means, but if they didn't, even so, do we want our numbers circulated more than they already are for banking, etc.? BR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Yost" <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: a little more on books Mike: I believe that I would keep such information as secret as I could just because I wouldn't want to be wrapped up in the Cling Wrap of pity and stored safely away from the give and take of relationships. When my father learned that he was dying, he waited a week before telling me. I'm glad he told me so quickly. Far from creating a "wrap of pity", his decision allowed him to convene a series of family meetings that enabled us to understand his wishes and carry them out. I was able to give him home hospice care and take care of him in the final months. I held his hand as he died. Among other things, his prompt honesty gave me the comfort of knowing that I had honored him with my best efforts to fulfill his wishes. Given my personal experience, the "keep 'em in the dark" method strikes me as a final insult to the living. After all, one's parents are long aware of, and present at, one's birth ... so why should one be denied the loving respect of presence in things turning full circle? A cheerful rapidly-aging mammal, Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html