Really? You don't think hanging with terrorists is a character flaw or a limitation? But hanging with terrorists, unless you are Obama, can get you on the Terrorist Watch List. Heck, having a tough dog and walking him down on a dry river bed while carrying a gun can get some people on the Terrorist Watch List. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julie Krueger Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:47 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Zardari, Obama and Bill Ayers As astonishing as it may seem, I do not consider Obama deity. He has his fair share of lacks, character flaws, and limitations. I don't happen to think hangin' w/ terrorists is one of them. Julie Krueger On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Ah, a desire for "rational discourse"?????? I've had that desire for years and haven't gotten it from any of the Leftists here. How is it when I wax with a bit of disgust at the current despicable treatment Palin and the don't-touch-our-god treatment of Obama do I get "oh dear-how mean and brutal and over the top you are and why can't we have rational discourse"? As long as you subscribe to the unfair treatment of Palin (condemnatory) and Obama (adulatory) by the Leftist Press. Rational discourse is an impossibility. And look how quickly you and Phil want to leave the issue, Obama's association with Ayers, and attack that Right Wing wacko Lawrence. Okay, and where are the moderators when you need them, huh? Unless I get threatened with expulsion from Lit-Ideas at least every few months I'll figure I'm turning into a wimp. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julie Krueger Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:17 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Zardari, Obama and Bill Ayers And an attempt at rational discourse goes the way of ..... Julie Krueger On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: That's what I thought, Phil. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Enns Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:05 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Zardari, Obama and Bill Ayers Lawrence Helm wrote: "Obama is Left Wing. Ayers is Left Wing. John is Left wing. They all hate America and want to become like Europe. What's not to blow up? . . . er like?" Wow. Way over the line, Lawrence. Phil Enns No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 3:30 PM