[lit-ideas] Re: Yahoo! Traitors with Clinton Sidebar
- From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:43:48 -0500
A.A. Except that Newt wound up hanging himself with his own rope
Newt is about as intelligent as I am. Clinton & Co. would have had him for
breakfast had they been political geniuses. But they were just ambitious.
Nope, like Clinton, Newt wound up hanging himself with his own penis.
A.A. You forget that he had to function in a Republican Congress. The
country elected Congress. That's where the mood was.
Not when he started. But the "political genius" gave Congress away to the
first comer with a vision. That was blind boy Newt. Bill had no vision,
but, by God, he felt our pain. The pain of being without a vision. And all
the time he was feeling our pain, he was kissing the ass of Corporate
America. Remember that during the campaign, Mr. Feel Your Pain felt it
necessary to toughen up and so he left the campaign trail to travel back to
Arkansas to oversee the execution of functionally retarded man, Ricky Ray
Rector. The boy was just too goddamn smart for his own good and ours.
Politics is the art
of the possible.
Leadership (i.e., political genius) is creating the possible.
He worked with what he had. It's why a Democrat was even
elected, because he was pretty center.
George H. W. Bush lost to Clinton because of the "vision thing" -- that,
but primarily it was the goofy-ass Ross Perot (who did infact have a
vision, but of hell) -- who threw the election to Clinton by drawing off
19% of the vote, almost all of it from Bush.
As a moral man
Clinton has always struck me as very ordinary -- venal, vain, lecherous,
ambitious -- like most of us.
A.A. I never cared about his morals. His sex life is his business unless
it's illegal, which it wasn't. The country was doing well, that's all I
I wasn't talking about his sex life. No one, not even Ken Starr cared about
his sex life -- that was just dirty politics -- the dirtiest of politics.
But his sex life was pretty pathetic, wasn't it? The most powerful man in
the world limited to blowjobs? C'mon. Kennedy was fucking Marilyn Monroe.
What a disappointment your boy was. The morals I was referring to had more
to do with honesty and integrity.
A.A. How much courage would it take you to go to work every day with an
independent prosecutor investigating you, and every newspaper and every
talk radio airwave in the country beating you to death over fabricated
charges? He was being accused of everything up to and including drug
dealing and murder.
Yes, he was the victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy -- no irony implied,
the fascist right was out to destroy him. He had no choice but to face up
to those charges. It was the political courage I was referring to. The man
abandoned nearly every program that raised the hackles of the Republicans.
I do give him credit for going into Haiti and preserving democracy there,
but then it was all very quickly forgotten. I alsogive him credit for
sticking to his guns in the Balkans when few supported him. If only those
instances had been the hallmark of his presidency.
I heard Trent Lott on Larry King
Live singing Clinton's praises.
Praise from a racist. Great PR. Like Newt's sweet nothings to Hillary.
Clinton had his eyes on the prize and none
of that crap existed for him. Bush is just the opposite. He needs
everybody to agree with him.
Interesting. I'd say you've got that backwards. Clinton needs to be loved.
Bush doesn't give a damn, he descended from God.
Clinton did nothing to
garner support for health care reform -- he should have moved mountains
A.A. He did.
He did?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Wow.
I must have missed that.
He gave the job to Hillary and she came up with a plan, don't
Oh, yes, I do remember that. He left her out there by herself to twist
slowly in the wind.
It was rejected by the populace. I don't even remember the
Let me refresh your memory. The proposal mandated employers to provide
health insurance and pay 80% of the premium costs. It guaranteed continued
health insurance to individuals who lost employment or changed employment. A
major linchpin of this proposal was regulation of the health insurance
industry. States were required to identify one or more regional alliances to
serve as purchasing agents for health care insurance. Workers could choose
between low cost (HMO) type plans or fee for service plans. The benefits
offered would be standardized. All workers would be pooled without
consideration of age, gender or health status. The percentage of employee
compensation which could be spent on health care insurance was limited.
Although the plan attempted to build on the existing employment-based
structure, it ultimately was defeated because of an opposition which
included some insurers and provider organizations and most Republicans.
Perhaps due to its complexity, the plan drew little support in the face of
but I'll bet if it was put forth now it would be seen in a
different light. Of course, it's impossible now since we can't pay for it
It was a stupid plan, tied to employers. What the fuck do employers have to
do with health care? But it could have been a start.
He would abandon his appointees and supporters at the first hint
of opposition, among them: Joycelyn Elders his Surgeon General and Lani
Guinier, nominated for Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights.
A.A. I have no comment on that. I vaguely remember Elders recommending
that masturbation be taught as a sexual alternative to kids to keep STD's
down. It's not a bad idea, just an idea ahead of its time. We're still
working off of the masturbation is evil thing. I don't remember what
happened with Guinier. I don't know what you would have wanted him to do.
What Bust does, stand behind his people.
Overall, his administration was effective.
Well, a hell of a lot better than Bush's.
I opposed Clinton's support for NAFTA AND GATT.
A.A. All the former presidents supported it, Carter, Bush, Ford. Maybe
have a gift for international trade.
I have a gift for not giving away the shop.
I think his dismantling of
the welfare system in this country was morally bankrupt,
A.A. I don't agree. Welfare is morally bankrupt if it becomes
No, the governments that abandon the poor to their own devices are morally
bankrupt. Had Johnson followed through on his War On Poverty instead of
following through on his War On Poor Asians, this country could be a totally
different place. But he didn't and Clinton didn't have the vision to
declare war on poverty.
his failure to act
to stop the genocide in Rwanda was criminal.
A.A. I remember the U.S. was being castigated as the world's policeman.
Somalia was a disaster. He probably could have done more in Rwanda. The
good old days when we acted like a superpower, either defending or being
expected to defend those in need.
Good Jesuit thinking there, Andy.
A.A. Your standards are very high. Effectively running the government and
transforming a budget deficit into a surplus merits a rotten egg from you.
Vision and competence and courage. If those are high standards, I stand
guilty of high standards.
But it's all water under the bridge. There's no democrat in sight with
vision for the country. We've abandoned the playing field to the money
grubbers. Maybe tomorrow.
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