Sorry, I should have pasted the entire excerpt. Out of context that pragra= ph made no sense. The excerpt follows: http://www.greatmystery.org/interviewmk.html Marshall: Next I want to jump into Lewis Carroll and Alice in Wonderland. = You use that work to introduce the concept of wormholes. Can you tell us= a little bit about that story, its author and the nature of stories, thems= elves, as vehicles for a more complete understanding of the world we inhabi= t? Maybe you can start off this way =96 how are stories crafted? Are stor= ies math? Is there a certain mathematical principle to stories in a sense = that they discharge a formula for us in a way that may be more acceptable t= o the human mind, which is allegorical in its construct?=20 Kaku: When people look at mathematics and they look at stories, Hollywood = stories. They say, =93Well gee, Hollywood stories are entertaining, they = are interesting, they show me something about human nature and mathematics = is really too bizarre.=94 However that=92s not really the way that the uni= verse is constructed. I am a physicist and we believe that the universe pr= oceeds according to principles =96 just a handful of principles. =20 The relativity principle, the quantum principle and that=92s it. =20 The universe evolves through principles, through pictures. Einstein looked= at the universe through pictures, not through the world of mathematics. M= athematics is book-keeping in some sense. It allows us to keep track of th= e picture. For example, take a bed sheet. Rumple the bed sheet. An ant w= alking along that rumpled bed sheet would say, =93I am tugged by a force = =96 I=92ll call it gravity. There=92s a star here tugging me, there=92s a = planet there tugging me.=94 Well we look at the ant from hyperspace and we= laugh and we say that=92s silly. There is no gravity at all. You are bei= ng buffeted by the curvature of space itself. =20 Now, the mathematics of a curved bed sheet is pretty, pretty mean. You wou= ld have to have what is called tensor calculus to be able to describe the c= urvature of a bed sheet. But the concept is simple. It is nothing but ant= s walking on a bed sheet. So, in other words, the human mind in some sense= can grasp some of the deepest understanding of nature - among them, wormh= oles. Now when we think about wormholes, we think about science fiction an= d Star Trek and stuff. But that is not where the concept of wormholes was = first introduced. It was first introduced about 150 years ago in Oxford, E= ngland. There was a young professor of higher mathematics at Oxford who kne= w about what are called multiply connected spaces. Think of two sheets of = paper that are joined at the hip like two Siamese twins. That=92s a wormho= le. Take a sheet of paper and bend it. Fold it in half. Fold it in the t= hird dimension. Fold the sheet of paper in hyperspace. That=92s called a = wormhole. Well these are called multiply connected spaces by mathematicians= and Charles Dodgson, a professor of mathematics, wanted to write a childre= n=92s book that conveyed these things because adults, of course, could not = understand or even want to understand a multiply connected space. So he cr= eated Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. =20 Well, today we have discovered black holes in outer space - perhaps candida= tes for Wonderland. At the center of a black hole, we used to think there = was a dot and anyone falling into the dot would die and therefore there=92s= no point talking about the Einstein-Rosen Bridge which may take you to the= other side of a black hole. Einstein himself worked out the Einstein-Rose= n Bridge =96 a bridge connecting two parallel universes. But he thought no= one would ever make the journey to the other side of forever. We now are = not so sure. In 1963, mathematician Rory Curr showed that black holes do n= ot necessarily collapse to a dot. You don=92t necessarily die. They colla= pse to rings =96 rings of fire, rings of neutrons - such that anyone fallin= g through the ring might fall through to the other side of forever. So jus= t think about that. The looking glass of Alice - the rim, the frame, the o= uter rim of Alice=92s looking glass - that=92s the black hole. In fact, ju= st this month, NASA announced beautiful photographs of a spinning black hol= e. We now know that most black holes spin rapidly at about a million miles= an hour, sufficient enough to create a ring of neutrons. Anyone falling t= hrough that ring may wind up on the other side of forever. Now of course, = this is just a theory. We have never done this before. We have never shot = a space probe through a black hole. It would take many centuries before we= could attempt such a feat. However, the mathematics is clear. Einstein= =92s equations show that there could be a wormhole on the other side of the= black hole. The only question is stability. We physicists are not sure w= hether they are stable or not - whether you can successfully make a trip to= the other side of the universe.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html