In a message dated 2/25/2013 10:41:47 A.M. UTC-02, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: But, somehow, this perhaps doesn't need saying. Donal ---- Note that while "it goes without saying" is sort of idiomatic, it takes a different scenario, even if not a Wittgensteinian one, to make sense of "it goes without showing". Similarly, "Needless to say" is pretty idomatic, if otiose ("Why say it then?") Whereas "needless to show" is rude. --- These elements could all be used against McEvoy's interpretation, or in its favour, or other. Cheers Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html