[lit-ideas] Re: Will Britain accept Sharia Law?
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:50:13 +0100 (BST)
Sigh... all this has been discussed here before.
Sharia tribunals in the UK can be set up because of a clause in the Arbitration
Act 1996.I quote:
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Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The
rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both
parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their
case.*****************
the perceived problem is not that the courts exist, the perceived problem is
that
they
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can make rulings
which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to
be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called
alternative dispute resolution.....
Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August
2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim
divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours
........tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic
violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police
investigations.
........
Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act
and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They
have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated
under a precursor to the act.
Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark the
beginnings of a “parallel legal system” based on sharia for some British
Muslims.
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I see Soern Kern is your source. S/he is an obsessed ranter against, for
example, sharia--compliant mortgages. S/he is also a liar, if only by
implication, that is, Kern's Britain's V. Muslim Immigration says -- and you
repeat --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
“By any measure, the Muslim population in Britain has skyrocketed
over the past ten years.
...... “In just two decades, the percentage of the British population born
abroad has doubled to over 11%<<<<<<<<<<<<
but as *The Telegraph*, bastion of right-wingery, says when discussing that
very figure
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A key factor has been the increase in migrant workers from Poland, Lithuania
and six other eastern European countries that joined the EU in
2004.***************************
**Roman Catholics**, Lawrence, **Roman Catholics**.
******************
“The Cross Party Group for Balanced Migration, a bi-partisan group that
is attempting to protect and re-establish a sense of British national
identity, has called for all parties in Britain to commit to keeping the
population below 70 million.**************
Yes. Or no. The Group wants to balance emigration and immigration. Nazir
Ahmed, Lord Ahmed, first Muslim life peer, is a member. (He's a slightly
controversial figure.) So is Tristram Hunt, who's basically pretty left wing.
The group is a somewhat mixed bunch, with some unsavoury elements; but their
web page will give you a better idea of the issues than Kern will.
You say, Lawrence,
>>>>>>>>>>>
Living in America, I have heard dissidents saying the “American
Way of Life” isn’t anything that needs to be preserved. The Constitution
was okay in its day, but now, they say, we need something new and more
relevant. Are there people saying things like that in Britain?<<<<<<<<<<
No. NO. There's a regular brouhaha about "Europe" making "us" observe human
rights' laws, a brouhaha fomented, of course, by the very people who go on
about "immigrants" when they mean "people who aren't white". These people want
to "preserve" a previous lack of human rights and anti-discrimination law. The
people who oppose them are not "dissidents".
Sharia law tribunals, you need to understand, do not affect anybody who does
not choose to be affected by them. They have the same effect on my life as
Beth Din tribunals or Roman Catholic courts, i.e., none. They are subject to
British law.
That doesn't mean there are no grounds for concern here. But they are not what
you think.
You ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What percentage of the non-Islamic and Moderate Islamic (as defined by
Hudson New York) Brits care if their legal system is replaced by Sharia
Law?<<<<<<<<<<<<<
100 per cent would care if that were the issue. But it is not. The issue is
the existence and in some instances the operation of Sharia tribunals, for
consenting parties, subject to British law. There's concern about
marriage/divorce cases, but please note, Sharia tribunals have jurisdiction
only over *Muslim-contracted* marriages, just as Roman Catholic courts have
jurisdiction only over *Roman Catholic contracted* marriages. (Etc..) -- see
above...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I recall that Communists in an earlier era considered their loyalty to
be to the Communist cause (aka the USSR) and not to individual Nations.
<<<<<<<<<<<
though it was never quite that simple, the Comintern under Stalin certainly did
a fair job of subordinating the interests of other CPs to the Soviet Union's
interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Do non-Fundamentalist-Islamic Brits feel something like that, i.e., that
their loyalty is to a European Welfare state system (or the like) and
not to the cultures of European nations?<<<<<<<<<<<
? I thought you were concerned about Sharia law, not European welfare state
and human rights legislation. I really don't know why you ask, however, if
British Muslims do feel loyal to the latter, they are to be applauded.
>>>>>>>>>>>
It is hard for me to understand why a nation (Britain if one can believe
the writer of the above article) would choose to accept a primitive
medieval religious-legal system in lieu of the system that Britain
developed on its own.>>>>>>>>>
it hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>
Well, if the British have created laws that prevent citizens opposing creeping
Sharia Law,>>>>>>>>>>
we haven't
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Wed, 7/9/11, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Will Britain accept Sharia Law?
To: "Lit-Ideas " <Lit-Ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, 7 September, 2011, 0:43
http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2011/09/will-britain-accept-sharia-law.html
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