[lit-ideas] Re: Why are the greatest composers all German?

  • From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:14:17 EDT

Very cool site -- and, like the web in general, rather overwhelming.
Julie Krueger

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greatest composers all  German?  Date: 6/15/06 10:42:39 A.M. Central Daylight 
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You're talking about classical music. The Beatles,  Dylan, Elvis, and 
Television are 30 or 40 
years ago. Radiohead is the only  recent band, and even that is from the late 
80s, namely, 
almost 20 years  ago.

Practically nothing in American music from the entire 90s and the  00s (or 
whatever we still 
don't call this decade) is worthwhile. Britney  Speares?

A number of people have pointed out that in the 50s, 60s, and  70s, bright 
creative people 
went into cultural areas: music, painting,  literature, and the arts. In the 
90s, bright 
creative people went into  computer science, computer engineering, and 
business school.

If you had  three buddies in the 60s, you started a band. If you have three 
buddies in 2006,  
you start a computer company.

And the same for Beethoven and the  German Romantics. If you were a creative 
person in the 
1770s, you'd be  Sturmy und Drangy, with long poems and so on.

The major cultural event of  the last ten years has been the web: the vast 
production of 
text, images,  and video. There is a staggering amount of vernacular content 
being produced  
today; MySpace.com's computers serve over one billion images per day now. At  
over 35,000 videos are uploaded daily. Nearly none of this is  by the 
"authorities", i.e., 
the graduates of art schools, the newspapers,  magazines, or TV.

Try www.StumbleUpon.com. Select Arts, Fine Arts,  Graphic Design, Painting, 
Photography. Look 
at some of those sites. They're  a very creative use of the  medium.


----- Original  Message ----- 
From: "Donal McEvoy" <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:  <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:35  AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Why are the greatest composers all  German?

>>I haven't heard anything
>> close to  Rammstein's profundity on the pop scene.
>> Carol
> Come  now. Is this a verbal argument ('pop=superficial' etc.)? Surely there 
>  'popular' music with depth - how about Beatles' 'A Day In The Life',  
> 'Like A Rolling Stone', Television's 'Marquee Moon', 'Astral  Weeks', 
> Changes', Presley's 'Heartbreak Hotel', Radiohead's 'Ok  Computer'? (And 
> about old _popular_ blues and folk and jazz?).Of  course you could be just
> saying none of this is close to the profundity  of Rammstein. Never heard 
> But I have heard 'Kind of Blue' - that's  popular and has depth, surely?
> See, even without yet using ears  to check I doubts Rammy is profundier than
> Bachers and some poppermost  music has I think depths at least closing to 
> of that. Plus, of  course Bachers and Mozzie and Beethy were popular in 
> time - even  if not always as recognised as hindsight might tell us.
>  Donal
> Taking a conciliatory stance in the high/low art wars
>  England
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