[lit-ideas] Re: Why Is Academic Writing So Academic?

  • From: Paul Stone <pastone@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:47:57 -0500

"diety"? Laughing...I would think it was a typo, but with mike, one never
can tell.
On Feb 25, 2014 5:29 PM, "Mike Geary" <gearyservice@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Not having read much into "primary source" materials, I have no standing
> in this discussion; nevertheless' I dare say that of those few primary
> sources I have read, there seems to be precious little satire or sarcasm or
> irony or word play or humor or levity of any kind whatsoever.  That would
> lead me to believe that philosopher types are fundamentally serious souls
> intent of finding just ONE damn indisputable fact that a philosophical
> system can be built upon.  Descartes thought he had found it with his
> Cogito, but, as some wag remarked, he had committed the fallacy of putting
> Descartes before des horse.  Me? I question God's hand in this mess.  I
> mean, what kind of diety would create a Life Form that depends for it's
> life on eating other Life Forms?  Knowing that one exists only to be eaten
> -- whether by lions or tigers or bears or microbes or whatever -- greatly
> detracts from our desire to sanctify existence and greatly disturbs one's
> sense of equanimity, on the other hand, it has caused me to look anew at
> God and to wonder if this is not a part of his infinite humor.  I now have
> visions of God sitting up there in his big God chair and rollicking with
> laughter.
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> I think that it is meant to invite a tautological reply, i.e. that
>> academic writing looks academic because it is academic. In other words, it
>> is somewhat pointless to try to evaluate it by the standards of, say,
>> journalistic writing. However, there are also some gloomy remarks about the
>> current state of the academia.
>> O.K.
>>   On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:34 PM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <
>> Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  Why Is Academic Reading So Academic?
>> In a message dated 2/25/2014 3:58:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx quotes a question:
>> >Why is Academic Writing So Academic?
>> I would rephrase the question as follows (Grice, "Do not multiply senses
>> beyond necessity"):
>> i. Why is academic-1 writing so academic-2
>> To read it as:
>> ii. Why is academic-1 writing so academic-1
>> seems to invite the answer which would be tautologous. Since we cannot
>> assume that the QUESTION is inviting a tautologous answer (which the
>> questioner
>> is supposed to already know), I should quote from Plato.
>> Back in the day of Plato's Academy, there was no 'academic' writing.
>> Only
>> 'academic talking'. He called it 'dialogos'. He was funny enough to
>> transpose a  character he had met in the agora (once): a barefoot man by
>> the name of
>> Socrates, and turned him into a 'dramatis persona' of those dialogues.
>> The
>> dialogues were meant to illustrate what philosophers do best: walk in
>> olive  gardens and ramble over stuff.
>> This 'academic' conversation.
>> Interestingly, the name 'Academic' Plato drew from the former owner of
>> the
>> land where he established the Academia. In a bit of hypercorrection, it
>> should  be pointed out that the original toponym was Hekademos (or
>> something).
>> It may be said that an Academic philosopher later WROTE those dialogues,
>> and thus the academic conversation (or conversation in the Academy)
>> became a
>> piece of writing (or 'parchment', as Geary prefers) but that's a longer
>> story.
>> It was totally different at Plato's main competitor: the Lycaeum. Or
>> not.
>> The conversations down there (in downtown Athens, under the midday sun,
>> were
>> up  and down and down and up, 'peri-pathetic', they came to be called).
>> Socrates his self, while, like Diogenes, favoured the agora, was also
>> known
>> to enjoy meetings by a villa on the seaside. Cfr. "Attic Nights". Or not.
>> Cheers,
>> Speranza
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