[lit-ideas] Re: Who are you supporting in this war?
- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
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- Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:10:53 EST
<<No one
is at war with us. >>
Well, there *were* a couple of Towers......
Julie Krueger
kinda mystified
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supporting in this war? Date: 2/22/06 3:09:19 P.M. Central Standard Time
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Dear Lawrence,
Since you coupled me with Andreas in your assault upon our patriotism, I
feel free to respond to the post you addressed to Andreas.
You write: "Andreas, you are another one with nothing good to say about your
government, administration or army."
I assume I must be the other one (or another one at any rate ). In fact,
Lawrence, I have a great deal of very good things to say about our
government and even our army -- not, however, about the current
Administration which, I believe, is undermining all the very good things I
have to say about our government and army. Do you understand the
distinction?
"The thrust of your diatribes, the implications of your assertions, are
clearly anti-American."
No, Lawrence, the thrust of my protests is clearly anti-Bush Administration.
I believe that the Bush Administration is seriously damaging our country --
morally, economically and politically. I accept the fact that you're of a
contrary opinion, I accept that without ascribing nefarious motives to your
beliefs.
"Supporting this is the fact that you don't have equal venom for enemies who
on any objective scale are some of the most heinous tyrants of modern
times."
I honestly don't know what to make of this statement. What are you getting
at? I'm an American. I'm responsible as an American for America's dealings
in the world -- just saying No! (or Yes!) is a form or responsibility
within a democracy. I think our government -- ie, the Bush
Administration -- is disastrously wrong in it's approach to the Middle East.
You don't name our enemies though you label them as "some of the most
heinous tyrants of modern times" -- "on any objective scale" (that's a
joke, isn't it?) -- well, I just have to assume you're talking about the
"Islamicists". To me that's laughable. IED's are their WMD's. Get a grip,
Lawrence. We can win this war overnight if we choose, but we'd lose the
peace forever. At least Bush hasn't gone that far yet.
"We are engaged in a war with a Civilization that has very different
standards, "
No, we're not. We're not at war with anyone but our own paranoia. No one
is at war with us. The idea of some Civilizational War is nothing more than
rightwing claptrap bullshit nonsense murderous trash. We ARE in conflict
with another culture, but only because they see us as threatening their very
way of life (and for good reason), and we see them as threatening our way of
life because we need their oil at a price we can afford -- this isn't about
democracy or freedom or any other idealism, it's about cheap oil. Surely to
God, you can see that. We need to be in control of them. We need that very
badly. Market stability depends on it. Our whole way of life depends on
cheap oil. Surely you're not so naive as to believe that we needed to free
Iraq from Saddam so that they could all breathe free. Please tell me no.
Please, Lawrence, say it ain't so.
"The very fact that you can oppose our war effort during a war is proof that
you live in a democracy. "
Yes, thank God, and hopefully to God the Patriot Act and Bush's NSA
adventures will be turned back as threats to our democracy.
"You and Mike both criticize my reading,"
My only criticism is that you seem to read so narrowly. I've never seen you
quote from anyone with whom you disagree and argue against his/her
arguments. You merely quote people you agree with as if that settles the
argument.
A bumper sticker here in the South reads: "God said so. I believe it.
That settles it." Your sources remind me of that bumper sticker. I
honestly don't mean this critique in a hostile or mean-spirited way. I
truly value your input here. It might aggravate me at times, but that's
good. It might send me screaming back at you at times, and that's probably
not so good, but it is a part of being human and so is probably good. You
can scream back at me. I hope I don't come across as being mean-spirited,
just mean : ) After all, I take my orders from the Islamicists, the most
heinous tyrants of modern times.
Mike Geary
Memphis
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