[lit-ideas] Re: Who are you calling crazy?
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:35:43 -0400
How does the song go? "When a glimpse of stocking was something shocking
... today anything goes". It's the inevitable product of escalation. It's
simply become a weapon. More people, more complexity, more problems.
> [Original Message]
> From: Carol Kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 5/9/2006 12:35:38 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Who are you calling crazy?
>
> >Was Davie Crockett sane that he
> >allowed himself to be killed at Alamo ?
>
> ck: Key phrase here: "allowed himself to be killed." Would someone here
> please distinguish, for Omar's benefit, between choosing to martyr
oneself
> and martyring oneself mainly to kill others?
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Omar Kusturica" <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:21 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Who are you calling crazy?
>
>
> >I don't know if the Marines are really mentally ill,
> > but from your account they sound to be. Of course, I
> > am cautious about taking your account as an accurate
> > description of reality, as ever.
> >
> > As for "Islamists" and "moderate Muslims," we have had
> > this discussion many times before. In your eyes, I am
> > a dangerous extremist because I express critical
> > opinions about the US and Israel. So I am not
> > surprized that you don't see a lot of "moderate
> > Muslims" unless they are on Washington's payroll or
> > something like Fuad Ajami or Ibn-Waraq.
> >
> > The suicide bombers don't blow themselves up for 71
> > virgins in paradize, but for attainment of political
> > or military goals, or sometimes in revenge. I don't
> > have much liking for them as I am not a military type,
> > but I don't think they are much different from the war
> > and resistance heroes whom other nations, including
> > the US, celebrate. Was Davie Crockett sane that he
> > allowed himself to be killed at Alamo ?
> >
> > As for Bin-Laden calling for Musharaff's assasination,
> > I don't see how it is necessarily more insane than
> > Bush calling for Saddam Hussein's assassination, or
> > Pat Robertosn calling for the assassination of Hugo
> > Chavez, etc.
> >
> > Finally, as to the constant obsession with security,
> > there is an element of cowardice (midly put) in it.
> > Yes, bad things do happen, mostly in unexpected ways.
> > I have had a lot of fights, some spectacular, but I
> > never got seriously injured in any of them. I got
> > seriously injured when I just slipped on ice and fell,
> > and took me more than a year to recover. We cannot
> > possibly eliminate all the dangers that exist in the
> > world, and usually we just have to live with them.
> > People who are truly brave take it philosophically.
> >
> > O.K.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Omar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Marines aren't mentally ill but the Islamists are.
> >> Islamists describe
> >> themselves in word and deeds and their descriptions
> >> correspond to mental
> >> illness. You once suggested that I had a thing
> >> about their blowing up cars.
> >> It isn't my thing. It was after reading account
> >> after account of their
> >> doing that in Europe that I mentioned several times.
> >> It is their thing, and
> >> apparently not just Islamists but your "moderate"
> >> Muslims. There have been
> >> lots and lots of damage and it can't all have been
> >> caused by the Islamists -
> >> unless there really are no moderates. Are there?
> >> They behave insanely and
> >> as of the time of the writings of Bawer, Berlinski,
> >> Fenby, Yeor, Fallici
> >> etc, they are still behaving that way.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is their being willing to blow themselves up not
> >> mentally ill? Do you
> >> appeal to Islam to justify an explanation of sanity?
> >> Let's hear it. I
> >> don't think there is one. Anyone willing to blow
> >> himself up for virgins in
> >> paradise is nuts. Marines are called nuts for being
> >> willing to fight such
> >> people. It's all in how you look at the world I
> >> suppose.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bin Laden has called for Musharaff's assassination.
> >> Is that not insane? The
> >> wimpy of the world worry about the attitude of the
> >> Marines, about their
> >> being insensitive and unfeeling. But they don't
> >> worry about berserk
> >> Islamists. Some of the people here on Lit-Ideas
> >> sound as thought they would
> >> rather stop the Marines than the Islamists. Now
> >> that is mentally ill.
> >> Fortunately Marines are taught about Civilians in
> >> boot camp. They are
> >> taught that civilians barely have sense enough to
> >> get out of each other's
> >> way. We are taught not worry about the dumb things
> >> they say and do but to
> >> fight for them in spite of all that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lawrence
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
> >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:39 PM
> >> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Punitive Expeditions (in
> >> the garden)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lawrence,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ever seen MASH ? No, I didn't think so. You might
> >> have
> >>
> >> a bit more sense of humour about "a Marine being
> >>
> >> always prepared" if you have.
> >>
> >> You description of a Marine strikes me a lot like a
> >>
> >> description of mental illness.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Omar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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