Omar: Texas is in the Southwest United States where I live. I've been there, have you? It's no difference than San Jacinto. I could move to Texas or a Texan could move to San Jacinto and fit right in. Now if you want to argue that neither Texas nor San Jacinto represents an example of a high-point of civilization - say, with Clive Bell's Civilization in mind - I wouldn't argue with you, but I believe Diana West is making a different point. Though neither Texas nor San Jacinto measure up in Clive Bell's terms, neither is barbarous in Diana West's terms. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:25 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: When a civilized society fights a barbarous one Actually, Lawrence, this might the time to remind you that Texas is not exactly Hegel's paradigm of a civilized society. O.K.